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Why is a Government body even "praying" in the first place? What happened to seperation of "church & state"? Isn't this offensive to begin with? What if you are not a "Christian" or what if you are a "atheist"?
Well he's praying to the government, so...
You know some of you folks look towards Washington right before you go to bed and ask Washington for forgiveness and a PlayStation 4.
I'd love to see the counter-prayer but can't find prayers in the AZ House records
How can you pray for "repentance" for another person's prayer not being up to spec, anyway? Is God's aim so bad, you can't even run the risk of sitting next to the guy?
How can you pray for "repentance" for another person's prayer not being up to spec, anyway? Is God's aim so bad, you can't even run the risk of sitting next to the guy?
God does have a pretty bad track record when it comes to murdering innocent people, so...
I get the feeling many conservative Christians don't have a wide world view on things and just "know what they know" which is whatever has been in front of their face. Understandable I suppose, but it's embarrassing to see it played out in a public arena.
Not as inappropriate as praying.
I don't know what US you live in, but there's supposed to be a separation of church and state in the one I'm from.
Really? Show us where the Constitution of The United States says anything about "separation of church and state"!
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF;
Nope, no reference to "separation of church and state".
The Constitution of The State Of Montana, Article II, Section 5, FREEDOM OF RELIGION
The state shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF.
Nope, not there, either
However, the Arizona Constitution gets a little convoluted:
"Article 2, section 12
12. Liberty of conscience; appropriations for religious purposes prohibited; religious freedom
Section 12. The liberty of conscience secured by the provisions of this constitution shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace and safety of the state. No public money or property shall be appropriated for or applied to any religious worship, exercise, or instruction, or to the support of any religious establishment. No religious qualification shall be required for any public office or employment, nor shall any person be incompetent as a witness or juror in consequence of his opinion on matters of religion, nor be questioned touching his religious belief in any court of justice to affect the weight of his testimony."
the Phrase "separation of church and state" still is not there, though.
We sure did. The key point was him asking everyone not to bow their heads and to look around at each other right before he went into "prayer."
I don't believe in any sort of god figure. I also don't believe in the secular humanist "god" of government being omnipotent. We have centuries upon centuries to show that human ran governments are just as oppressive (maybe more so) than religious institutions and particularly in the past century where The Church hasn't been the main driver of wars, lies, stealing, oppression, etc.
I respect that you don't have the same views, or see the "prayer" the same, as me regarding the OP's link.
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