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Old 12-31-2012, 08:12 AM
 
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...so says known leftist Oliver Stone. What do you think?

Americans are living in an Orwellian state argue Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick, as they sit down with RT to discuss US foreign policy and the Obama administration’s disregard for the rule of law.

*Both argue that Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and that people have forgiven him a lot because of the “nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him.”

“He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them,” Stone told RT. “It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere.”

According to Kuznick, American citizens live in a fish tank where their government intercepts more than 1.7 billion messages a day. “That is email, telephone calls, other forms of communication.”



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I have to agree with Stone, I do not feel that our federal government has the best interests of the American people in mind, it seems as if protecting our Constitutional rights and freedoms are the furthest things from the minds of our politicians and bureaucrats in Washington DC.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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I'm more worried about the nutjobs that live among us than I am about an incompetent government.

More surveillance please.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:30 AM
 
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I'm more worried about the nutjobs that live among us than I am about an incompetent government.

More surveillance please.
You are assuming that there are not any nutjobs within our government. That's a part of the problem, you fear private citizens who have no power over you, more then you fear people who use the power of government to control you.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:31 AM
 
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Oliver Stone complaining about an Orwellian state is about a logical as Madonna praising the Pope.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Loss of liberty is the price of empire.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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...so says known leftist Oliver Stone. What do you think?

Americans are living in an Orwellian state argue Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick, as they sit down with RT to discuss US foreign policy and the Obama administration’s disregard for the rule of law.

*Both argue that Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and that people have forgiven him a lot because of the “nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him.”

“He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them,” Stone told RT. “It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere.”

According to Kuznick, American citizens live in a fish tank where their government intercepts more than 1.7 billion messages a day. “That is email, telephone calls, other forms of communication.”



Oliver Stone to RT:


I have to agree with Stone, I do not feel that our federal government has the best interests of the American people in mind, it seems as if protecting our Constitutional rights and freedoms are the furthest things from the minds of our politicians and bureaucrats in Washington DC.
True in so many different aspects
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:36 AM
 
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...you fear private citizens who have no power over you, more then you fear people who use the power of government to control you.
I fear a private citizen who wants to kill me in a mass murder more than I fear the people who use the power of government to steal money out of my paycheck.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:36 AM
 
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Can't say I disagree.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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Oliver Stone complaining about an Orwellian state is about a logical as Madonna praising the Pope.
Stone was critical of Bush taking too much power, and he is consistent and equally critical of what he perceives as Obama continuing, and even expanding those Orwellian powers. Stone is not being partisan here, maybe that is what confuses you.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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Googleblock;

... the deflection of big brother criticism to government when it is really Google that is watching.
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