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View Poll Results: Floundering President or a Great Leader
He is a Floundering Ineffective President 108 83.08%
He is a Great and Effective Leader 22 16.92%
Voters: 130. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-21-2013, 01:33 AM
 
Location: Pa
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The forum is overwhelmingly conservative and the same people who shriek about the President floundering are the same people who think the forum is liberal.

Their disconnect manifests itself in numerous ways. Those are just two.
I would say the forum is majority Hardliners who refuse to hold their own party accountable in any meaningful way.
The number 1 excuse is always "well so and so did it too" as if in anyway that makes it ok.
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:49 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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Ahhh, the go-to argument of the hand -wringers. IF you show any support for any action of the President whatsoever - you are on welfare.

Really, that whole schtick is so old.
What's really old is "But Bush ....." fill in the blank.
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:50 AM
 
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Threads like this are why I'm going to take a bit of a CD break this summer. There aren't any real issues debated anymore--just lots of "I hate Obama and he's the anti-Christ because he breathes" threads, rants about "scandals" that turn out to be complete fantasy, and yet another thread beating up on gay people or women. I'll check in from time to time, but this is getting to be just....boring.
Fast&Furious Bengazi isn't fantasy 'there's dead people involved'....Obamabots see no evil hear no evil but speak volumes of taradiddles....
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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What's really old is "But Bush ....." fill in the blank.
Not necessarily because it points to hypocrisy. The world didn't start anew on Jan 20, 2009. There were historical precedents.

So, if the conservatives supported the same policies under Bush but now complain about them under Obama, they are hypocrites plain and simple. It isn't the policy they object to but there person carrying out the policy.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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No - This president is typical of what your system installs these days...I don't think you guys have had a firm minded and talented manly president since WW2.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Fast&Furious Bengazi isn't fantasy 'there's dead people involved'....Obamabots see no evil hear no evil but speak volumes of taradiddles....
Because we know that nobody every died before in an embassy attack, right?

It's not a scandal unless one can show wrongdoing. As such while Fast and Furious might have been a wrong policy and if other actions were taken at Benghazi, the outcome might have been different, there was no wrongdoing.

If you disagree, on October 23, 1983 a suicide bomber successfully breached the the Beirut Barracks in Lebanon resulting in the deaths of 241 American servicemen. Was that a Reagan scandal?
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:41 AM
 
Location: None of your business
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Because we know that nobody every died before in an embassy attack, right?

It's not a scandal unless one can show wrongdoing. As such while Fast and Furious might have been a wrong policy and if other actions were taken at Benghazi, the outcome might have been different, there was no wrongdoing.

If you disagree, on October 23, 1983 a suicide bomber successfully breached the the Beirut Barracks in Lebanon resulting in the deaths of 241 American servicemen. Was that a Reagan scandal?
Then why the cover up and stone walling?

Oh and there you go again, you do realize you sound like a 2 year old right?
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Then why the cover up and stone walling?
As far as I can tell, mountains of documents were sent for review. There is a point however that one has to realize the difference between fact-finding and a fishing expedition.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:50 AM
 
Location: right here
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What's really old is "But Bush ....." fill in the blank.

Or "You are a racist!"

I would LOVE for Bill Clinton to be president...and I'm a republican!


Also the thread should be-Obama IS a floundering president.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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Not necessarily because it points to hypocrisy. The world didn't start anew on Jan 20, 2009. There were historical precedents.

So, if the conservatives supported the same policies under Bush but now complain about them under Obama, they are hypocrites plain and simple. It isn't the policy they object to but there person carrying out the policy.
Libs need to look in the mirror for hypocrisy.

Every time something happens its, "but Bush". Nothing but deflection. This is now and if lefties didn't like things then but are ok with it now? Pot meet kettle.
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