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Old 06-28-2013, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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No, it was not well played, and that poster has acknowledged that their statement was inaccurate.

Harrier suggests that you read posts more carefully, and read the entire thread.
It was well-played. It made a perfect mockery of someone's predilection to refer to oneself in the third person.

And since I know the background of the story being told in the movie, the statement was as accurate as it needed to be.
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I just looked up details on the movie, and it's a prequel. The movie is about Jack Ryan BEFORE he joins the CIA, which would be well before 9/11 and during the time Russians were the bad guys...it wouldn't even make sense to have the protagonists made Middle Eastern in this case.
Exactly.

Much (more) ado about nothing from the OP.
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I can't find a lot of good articles on the movie, this is one of the better ones:
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The pic, courtesy of USA
Today
, features Pine and co-star Kevin Costner, who plays a CIA vet who
recruits Ryan, an injured
Marine, to work as a high-level analyst, teaching him that his intellect is his
most potent weapon.


"It's always a bit overwhelming," Pine tells the newspaper of taking on yet
another franchise character after Star
Trek's Captain Kirk
. "What I do know is my job is to do
my best to bring whatever new colors I have to these franchises."


The Jack Ryan storyline finds the Moscow-based Ryan discovering a terrorist plot to collapse America's economy, putting his love
(played by Keira Knightley) in jeopardy. Kenneth Branagh
plays the film's villain and also directs. The origin story from screenwriter
David Koepp will be the first Jack Ryan film not based on a previous Tom Clancy
book.


"We take the fundamentals of the myth of Jack Ryan and do an original film
that was never a book," says Pine. "We're making our own story in a modern-day
2013."
So, it's an all-Hollywood story, not based on any of the TC novels. It's set after he left the Marines, which would place it before Patriot Games in the Jack Ryan saga. That book was based on events of 1981, putting the movie in the late 70s to 1980. It sounds like the movie doesn't really fit within any of the book's plots though. In Patriot Games, Ryan had done some consulting for CIA, and became much more "involved" after his family was attacked by IRA terrorists. Sounds like this movie does away with that introduction to the CIA.

I hope the do a lot better job with this than they did with Sum of All Fears. The writing was terrible, and of course the Jack Ryan wasn't up to snuff. Much as I dislike Alec Baldwin, he played the part the best so far, IMO.

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Old 06-28-2013, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Yeah, I won't be seeing the movie.

I was surprised that you said that DoH didn't feature a terrorist attack, but I suppose that Sato was really just avenging his brothers death when he crashed into the U.S. Capitol.

Terrorism requires ideology and that nut didn't have any.

It did however, set up the scene for Clancy to have the real terrorists come in and take advantage of the situation in EO.
Crashing a loaded 747 into the Capitol during the SOTH address isn't a terrorist attack, it's a great first step! Actually, no of course. I didn't think of this as a terror attack as such, it wasn't sponsored by a nation state or organization, nor was it really intended to cause terror as we think of it. Instead it was an act of vengence by one greiving madman.

I really enjoyed all of Clancy's earlier Jack Ryan novels. Clancy is a great writer and storyteller, and really keeps his plots sorted out and consistent. He also researches the tech he describes and gets the vast majority of it right.

The Ryan series took a major nosedive when he started using "collaborators" to do the writing in the newer ones. It took about two pages of reading to figure that they wern't up to his usual standards and check the cover for a ghost writer.
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I just looked up details on the movie, and it's a prequel. The movie is about Jack Ryan BEFORE he joins the CIA, which would be well before 9/11 and during the time Russians were the bad guys...it wouldn't even make sense to have the protagonists made Middle Eastern in this case.

Technically the Soviets, not the Russians. But who's counting?
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Old 06-28-2013, 08:31 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Like I said, there's a significant minority in Russia that wished to return to the past (not unlike U.S. conservatives that long for the 1950's). Perhaps a small cabal of them gain some traction in the Putin administration and launch a plan to destabilize the U.S. for the Glory of Mother Russia. Not too far fetched to imagine. Now imagine if they managed to manipulate Chechen Muslim seperatists to attack the U.S.; deflecting blame from the true perpretrators. Ponder that for a second...
Tbe Delta series is based on the premise you mention here. And it OK stuff. Believable enough. However, proper antagonists for plot effectiveness is not what he's talking about. I see his point. Hollywood IS careful about who gets to be the bad guys out of fear of offending this or that group. The villians, usually, have to be someone universally hated and villified. i.e. Nazis. I see the OPs point.

I will dare and assume something, and say he believes a more realistic antagonist, one, that, in reality, is poised to hit us every day, yea...radical Islamists, are not being cast because of placating politics. He's right.
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Old 06-28-2013, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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It made a perfect mockery of someone's predilection to refer to oneself in the third person.
Mockery?

Au contraire.

Harrier is perfectly O.K. with someone referring to him in the third person.

Why wouldn't he ?

He refers to himself that way.
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Old 06-28-2013, 08:54 PM
 
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Personally, I like movies as an escape. I don't necessarily want to be reminded of what is going on in the world today when I'm at the movies, so I'm glad it's not about radical terrorists.
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Personally, I like movies as an escape. I don't necessarily want to be reminded of what is going on in the world today when I'm at the movies, so I'm glad it's not about radical terrorists.
Harrier agrees.

That is the only reason he watched the misnamed An Inconvenient Truth(2006) - because it had nothing to do with actual reality.
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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The movie will be released this month.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Chris...lip-40941.html
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