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Old 07-07-2013, 12:29 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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While I the young man in this video caused his own problem by daring to question a police officer at a DUI checkpoint it does highlight how far we've gone allowing basic rights to be removed.
Sad commentary on today's society.

"The guy who posted this YouTube video was evidently prepared to document what would happen if he only cooperated with cops at a Fourth of July DUI checkpoint only in the strictest legal sense. Unless he was looking for trouble, it didn't go so well for him, despite the fact that he wasn’t drunk and had no illegal substances in his car. Based on his video, shot in Murfreesboro, Tenn."

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4th of July DUI Checkpoint - Drug Dogs, Searched without Consent, while Innocent - YouTube
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:36 PM
 
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I saw this video. The only thing I saw was yet another 21 year old trying to be a smartass. He could have avoided the whole situation if he had just rolled his window down and presented his driver's license and registration. I've been through a DUI checkpoint before, it's painless and a no-brainer. He should have done the smart thing and filed a formal complaint to see if it would go anywhere. Arguing with a beat cop is the same as complaining to the cashier about how expensive a restaurant is. You're not going to get anywhere arguing with the cashier, are you? No, you argue with the manager. Enough said. He ruined his own 4th of July looking to get views on youtube
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The Supreme Court ruled DIU checkpoints constitutional. The driver needs to study up as opposed being a pain in the ass.
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:47 PM
 
Location: USA
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Clear Violation of your 4th Amendment Rights.


Finn I'm sure you know all about Rights Violations since you seem such a big advocate.



There is no probably cause for the stop. In some states they are even involuntarily making people submit blood.
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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the best part of the video is when the police officer admits that the kid did nothing wrong, and that he knew his rights. it seemed to upset the officer. not the way I would have gone about things, but refreshing to see.
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Clear Violation of your 4th Amendment Rights.

Finn I'm sure you know all about Rights Violations since you seem such a big advocate.

There is no probably cause for the stop. In some states they are even involuntarily making people submit blood.
I am simply saying the Supreme Court reviewed the DUI stop situation, and ruled it does not violate the Constitution, because the stop is NOT "unreasonable", but "reasonable". However, they also said they will allow the individual states to decide if they want to conduct them or not.
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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I saw this video. The only thing I saw was yet another 21 year old trying to be a smartass. He could have avoided the whole situation if he had just rolled his window down and presented his driver's license and registration. I've been through a DUI checkpoint before, it's painless and a no-brainer. He should have done the smart thing and filed a formal complaint to see if it would go anywhere. Arguing with a beat cop is the same as complaining to the cashier about how expensive a restaurant is. You're not going to get anywhere arguing with the cashier, are you? No, you argue with the manager. Enough said. He ruined his own 4th of July looking to get views on youtube
The only thing I saw was an indivisual noy guilty of any crime, complying with only the Police officers commands that had some basis in the police officer's authority. The young man had no legal obligation to completely roll down his window, he had a right to refuse to his car being searched and he had a right to know if he were being detained or not. The only "no brainer" is the content of the statement you made.

If I choose to allow an officer to take liberties with my rights that should be my clear choice, not the officer's.
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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A putz. Deliberately created a confrontation. A dog search is not violation of constitution. If the dog alerts, probable cause exists.

So sue and see how far that gets you.

No where fast.
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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A putz. Deliberately created a confrontation. A dog search is not violation of constitution. If the dog alerts, probable cause exists.

So sue and see how far that gets you.

No where fast.
the cop was the only one truly at fault. he admitted that the kid did nothing wrong, and seemed annoyed that the citizen knew his rights. as I said before, it would not have been my tactic, but it worked.
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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The Supreme Court ruled DIU checkpoints constitutional. The driver needs to study up as opposed being a pain in the ass.
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Clear Violation of your 4th Amendment Rights.


Finn I'm sure you know all about Rights Violations since you seem such a big advocate.



There is no probably cause for the stop. In some states they are even involuntarily making people submit blood.
finn and i disagree on a lot of things, but in this he is right. the supreme court ruled DUI checkpoints as constitutional, they also ruled that a drug dog search is constitutional. had this kid just followed the officers initial requests, none of which were out of line, he would have been on his way in no time. instead the kid decided to be a pain in the cops backside, and did only the minimum required.

do i like DUI checkpoints? not really, but they serve a purpose. i have been through them before, and each time i get sent on my way no fuss, no muss because i treat the cop like i would want to be treated if i were in their shoes. giving a little respect really does go along way when dealing with those in authority.
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