Nordic system.... Your thoughts? (legal, illegals, retirement, money)

[s1alker]

Only works in a small, highly educated homogeneous society.

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[Hot_Handz]

Originally Posted by s1alker

Only works in a small, highly educated homogeneous society.

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^^^ this

Now.....wait for the Germany argument as an example of a successful multicultural welfare state..it should rear it's ugly head any second now

[Old Gringo]

The Scandinavians have their priorities straight. Much better to use resources for enriching lives than for maintaining a cold war military.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by shiftymh

As a single male with no children, I'd be paying far too much in taxes and receiving far too little.

You would receive higher education, and medical care plus other welfare. I don't think this kind of system would work in US. It works in Nordic countries because the people want it to work and they make it work. As a dual citizen I could choose to live there, but I choose to live here.

I think the question should be whether or not people think that kind of system would work in US, rather than if people 'like' it.

[le roi]

Originally Posted by Olamm

If the United States brought the Nordic labor system in America.... Would you be for or against it?

As someone who is looking to emigrate , possibly to Denmark or Norway -- I prefer the Nordic system of governing their societies, which are largely homogenous when it comes to ethnicity and values.

However if I stay in the United States, I do not want it here. In Marxist terms, you might say that the United States has a huge lumpenprole class. The systems you describe are abused by the hordes of Americans who feel entitled to support from the government, which erodes support from the taxpaying classes.

[T-310]

Thats why things are very expensive there.

[s1alker]

Originally Posted by T-310

Thats why things are very expensive there.

Difference between American and Nordic model is that here in the US the personal accumulation of widgets comes before education, health care, infrastructure, ect.

[le roi]

Originally Posted by s1alker

Difference between American and Nordic model is that here in the US the personal accumulation of widgets comes before education, health care, infrastructure, ect.

i disagree, i think the u.s. "model" originally attempted to not-assign a value to any of these goods and services. that was the point.

we've deviated from this model in a half-assed attempt to become more like sweden, and because not everyone is on board with that, it has been implemented very inefficiently and unfairly. you can't cross a ravine in two steps.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Olamm

If the United States brought the Nordic labor system in America.... Would you be for or against it?

Some employee and other benefits in Sweden;

* 18 months paid maternity leave (Usually shared between both parents)

you you expect EMPLOYERS to GIVE people 1.5 years (18 months) split between the two parents off PAID????

and what is my company getting out of paying a couple 18month of NOT WORKING, NOT PRODUCING????


you need 18 months off....sure...but it wont be paid

you get paid for WORKING, and PRODUCING...not for, not being there

[Olamm]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

you you expect EMPLOYERS to GIVE people 1.5 years (18 months) split between the two parents off PAID????

and what is my company getting out of paying a couple 18month of NOT WORKING, NOT PRODUCING????


you need 18 months off....sure...but it wont be paid

you get paid for WORKING, and PRODUCING...not for, not being there

Large and even mid-sized company, government and other public places, even large private businesses could afford giving 18 months paid. If not paid, how about giving them that unpaid? Government may be some of it too.