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There is a lot of information... or misinformation?... about The Rothschilds. I don't know what to think other than they are super wealthy global bankers.
Do they control the world governments?
Are they evil?
What do you think?
They were the first to bloat the money supply with their own fiat banks notes by essentially covering them internationally. So yeah, that kind of power is evil and it set the precedent of the current trends of evil banking we have now. And to one extend or another, that family is still nothing but fat cat financiers.
The quotation is a fake. There is no evidence that any Rothschild ever said that.
This quote is everywhere, and has been for years. I suppose everybody is a liar but you? pleez
You are numero uno of shills, and proud of it.
The Rothschilds "The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." — Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
You're going to have to read a book. The Germans wanted the Jews gone, many Jews wanted to emigrate to British controlled Palestine. The Germans obliged. If you hate reading you can watch this movie to get a flavor of what I'm talking about.
Before 1900, Rothschild's visits to Eretz Yisrael were largely meant as settlement tours. He became known as the “Father of the Yishuv” because of his full and partial involvement in so many young settlements. In the 1890s, he clashed with Theodore Herzl on the interpretation of political Zionism. In the early 1900s he had a similar disagreement with Ahad Ha'am and members of the Hovevei Zion. The result was a group of 12 settlements under the auspices of Rothschild's Jewish Colonization Association (ICA).
By 1914, Rothschild was able to visit expanded settlements as well as a number of his major and minor investments. He was also growing closer to the Zionist Organization.
Ya really think they were not loving and stoking German hostility?
And where do ya suppose some of that came from? Why that would be the Balfour declaration where Jewish interests allied themselves with Britain for a Jewish state. Get the state from Britain and then populated it with Jews thrown out of Germany.
They were the first to bloat the money supply with their own fiat banks notes by essentially covering them internationally. So yeah, that kind of power is evil and it set the precedent of the current trends of evil banking we have now. And to one extend or another, that family is still nothing but fat cat financiers.
"Evil banking?" Do you even listen to yourself? Try to run an economy without banking. Go ahead, give it a shot. It would be fascinating to watch in the same morbid way you can't turn your eyes away from a train wreck.
It's enough that the history of fiat money has nothing to do with the Rothschilds. That alone earns your dismissal. But those who attack fiat money are economic ignoramuses whose opinion on any issue more complex than a tinker-toy is suspect out of the gate.
Before 1900, Rothschild's visits to Eretz Yisrael were largely meant as settlement tours. He became known as the “Father of the Yishuv” because of his full and partial involvement in so many young settlements. In the 1890s, he clashed with Theodore Herzl on the interpretation of political Zionism. In the early 1900s he had a similar disagreement with Ahad Ha'am and members of the Hovevei Zion. The result was a group of 12 settlements under the auspices of Rothschild's Jewish Colonization Association (ICA).
By 1914, Rothschild was able to visit expanded settlements as well as a number of his major and minor investments. He was also growing closer to the Zionist Organization.
Ya really think they were not loving and stoking German hostility?
And where do ya suppose some of that came from? Why that would be the Balfour declaration where Jewish interests allied themselves with Britain for a Jewish state. Get the state from Britain and then populated it with Jews thrown out of Germany.
While I won't go so far as to say the Jews deserved their treatment in the run up to WW2. The notion that they was no basis for anti-Jewish sentiment in Germany is simply not true.
While I won't go so far as to say the Jews deserved their treatment in the run up to WW2. The notion that they was no basis for anti-Jewish sentiment in Germany is simply not true.
There has always been a "basis" for it. European antisemitism derives directly from the Gospels, and was formalized in Germany under the despicable, intensely hateful and vicious writing of Martin Luther. The Jews have always been hated in the Christian west because of their portrayal as "Christ killers." All other rationales for antisemitism evolve from that starting point.
Its relationship to their role as "minority economic intermediaries" is direct, but you have the causality backwards. In Europe the Jews had to have professions that allowed them to keep their wealth portable, since they never knew when the next round of bloody persecution was going to start. They could not tie their wealth to the land.
They were not hated because they were wealthy bankers. They were bankers because they were hated.
This is why European Jews were generally bankers, brokers and retailers. The same role (for the same reasons) was played by the Armenians and the Chinese in other parts of the world.
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There has always been a "basis" for it. European antisemitism derives directly from the Gospels, and was formalized in Germany under the despicable, intensely hateful and vicious writing of Martin Luther. The Jews have always been hated in the Christian west because of their portrayal as "Christ killers." All other rationales for antisemitism evolve from that starting point.
Its relationship to their role as "minority economic intermediaries" is direct, but you have the causality backwards. In Europe the Jews had to have professions that allowed them to keep their wealth portable, since they never knew when the next round of bloody persecution was going to start. They could not tie their wealth to the land.
This is why European Jews were generally bankers, brokers and retailers. The same role (for the same reasons) was played by the Armenians and the Chinese in other parts of the world.
Hmmm but Jews were kicked out of Spain and countless other countries outside of Germany before Martin Luther came into prominence. Seems odd blaming him for German or European Semitism. Also the prohibition against Jews owning land in Christian Europe was not universal yet we don't see extensive land ownership in places where no prohibitions existed. I dare say Russian anti-Semitism probably was the most vile around but the Christ killing charge doesn't appear to be the biggest motivator of their hatred of Jews.
In Germany in particular I do agree anti-Semitism had a long cultural basis but I do think that the average gentile German in the 20s and 30s would not have found the Nazis accusations against the Jews baseless. Of course condemning a whole group is never justified but unfortunately human beings don't always deal with folks on an individual basis.
Hmmm but Jews were kicked out of Spain and countless other countries outside of Germany before Martin Luther came into prominence.
Pay attention to your own posts. You were the one who specified Germany, not me. More general Christian antisemitism has been pandemic for millennia. But the seeds of the holocaust's unique brutality were planted in the German cultural psyche by Luther.
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Also the prohibition against Jews owning land in Christian Europe was not universal yet we don't see extensive land ownership in places where no prohibitions existed.
Prohibitions against Jews owning land had exactly nothing to do with the need of European Jewry to keep their wealth portable. It was a defensive measure on their part, not an aggressive measure by their Christian persecutors.
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I dare say Russian anti-Semitism probably was the most vile around but the Christ killing charge doesn't appear to be the biggest motivator of their hatred of Jews.
Don't be absurd. It has always been the single actual reason for Christian antisemitism, with all other excuses being subterfuge. Recall if you will Catherine the Great's expulsion of the Jews under the pretext that as bankers, brokers and distributors the Jews were mere parasites on the Russian people. Having thus stripped Russia of the key economic intermediaries that reduce friction in all economies, the Russian economy proceeded to completely collapse. Within months she began (illegally) smuggling Jews back into Russia and pretending they were Swedish.
The pretend rationale was a lie. The real rationale remains.
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In Germany in particular I do agree anti-Semitism had a long cultural basis but I do think that the average gentile German in the 20s and 30s would not have found the Nazis accusations against the Jews baseless.
And yet... they were baseless. It strikes me as droll that you would suggest the Nazi's antisemitism was justified. That the Nazis were somehow just misunderstood.
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Of course condemning a whole group is never justified but unfortunately human beings don't always deal with folks on an individual basis.
A flaccid disclaimer form our resident Nazi apologist.
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