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Old 07-14-2013, 09:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The jury clearly decided that Zimmerman was acting in self-defense when he pulled his gun and shot Trayvon.

That means they decided that Trayvon had done something that constituted an immediate and possibly deadly threat to Zimmerman. That act was probably, going after Zimmerman (who was following him but not stalking or attacking him), grabbing or jumping on him, knocking him down, and bashing his head multiple times into the concrete sidewalk with his fists. Slamming GZ's head repeatedly into the concrete that way could conceivably crack his skull, which could kill him. Zimmerman shot Trayvon before that could happen... but what if Zimmerman hadn't had a gun?

Then this trial would have been over Trayvon, not Zimmerman. Trayvon would have been accused at least of assault, quite possibly assault with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. And if he'd managed to crack Zimmerman's skull, maybe the charge for which Trayvon was tried, could have been murder.

Zimmerman did have the gun, and used it, so the trial went as it did. Trayvon was, in fact, guilty of assault - the jury decided he attacked Zimmerman. But since Trayvon lost his life as a result of assaulting Zimmerman, obviously there was no point in making any such charge against Trayvon any more, despite Trayvon's actions.

But if Zimmerman had not had a gun that night... it's pretty clear Trayvon would have been found guilty of assault, and possibly murder.

 
Old 07-14-2013, 09:46 PM
 
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#, how can you predict that a jury would have found Martin guilty? All Martin had to do was invoke stand your ground.

#2, Zimmerman stated that he feared for his life after Martin allegedly reached for the gun.

So how exactly would he have killed him if there was no gun?????
 
Old 07-14-2013, 09:46 PM
 
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Bingo.
Then he'd be in court for murdering a Hispanic.
 
Old 07-14-2013, 09:47 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Originally Posted by Don Draper View Post
Zimmerman stated that he feared for his life after Martin allegedly reached for the gun.

So how exactly would he have killed him if there was no gun?????

Gee, I'm not sure. Let's all ask Natasha Richardson if having your head bashed into concrete might just kill you. Shall we????

20yrsinBranson
 
Old 07-14-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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#, how can you predict that a jury would have found Martin guilty? All Martin had to do was invoke stand your ground.
Martin wasn't standing his ground, Zimmerman was (though he didn't invoke that in the trial). Martin was _attacking_. So the jury already decided.

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#2, Zimmerman stated that he feared for his life after Martin allegedly reached for the gun.

So how exactly would he have killed him if there was no gun?????
Already answered in OP.
 
Old 07-14-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Clear Lake Area
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Two things:

1. Zimmy never would have left his car if he didn't have his gun... just listen to his mma instructors testimony, he was soft as a marshmallow.

2. The police arrived 30 seconds or so after the shot was fired... based on the injuries during the first minute of the fight, chances are slim Martin would have caused great bodily harm in those 30 seconds of rolling around on the grass.
 
Old 07-14-2013, 09:57 PM
 
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Martin wasn't standing his ground, Zimmerman was (though he didn't invoke that in the trial). Martin was _attacking_. So the jury already decided.


Already answered in OP.
Zimmerman didn't not feel his life was in danger until Martin allegedly went for the gun.

So if Zimmerman who was there didn't feel Martin would have killed him with his bare hands, why would I take your opinion????
 
Old 07-14-2013, 09:58 PM
 
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And the nation wouldn't have heard a PEEP about it.
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Old 07-14-2013, 10:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Two things:

1. Zimmy never would have left his car if he didn't have his gun...
Reading minds and predicting the future, are we?

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2. The police arrived 30 seconds or so after the shot was fired... based on the injuries during the first minute of the fight, chances are slim Martin would have caused great bodily harm in those 30 seconds of rolling around on the grass.
So after Trayvon had banged his head into the concrete repeatedly, Zimmerman was supposed to assume he wasn't going to do that any more?

Were you there to inform Zimmerman of the certainty of this?
 
Old 07-14-2013, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Bingo.
Then he'd be in court for murdering a Hispanic.
And you'd never have heard a peep about it on NBC, CNN or BSNBC.
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