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Old 07-16-2013, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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If corporations are polluting public rivers, they have no integrity or respect for our natural resources. A polluted river is a polluted river whether it is owned publicly or privately.
The government doesn't have respect for our natural resources either then because they approve of corporations dumping into public rivers.

Why would a corporation pollute a river they own? Normally when someone buys something expensive they want it to be in good shape so they have the option of selling it later.

Plus, if a company bought the Ohio River and destroyed it by polluting they would no longer be able to sell their product because no one would do business with them.

I imagine a river like the Ohio would have thousands of owners though. People that own houses along the river already own 10 feet of the river on the Ohio side. You just extend that out half way and hire a river management corporation (new jobs). Good luck getting permission from thousands of owners to pollute their property.

The private sector has always taken care of pollution better than the government ever could. And we know that public waters are already polluted. Why do we think the government is all of a sudden start caring now? lols.
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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What would protect a person from being forced to harvest an organ to pay off a credit card debt or student loan? That is even worse than having your land stolen for not paying a mortgage or being dumped in a debtor's prison for not paying rent.
No one can force you to sell an organ in a free market.

A free market means the exchange is voluntary on all sides.
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Old 07-16-2013, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Do not know if I would be eligible because of age, but if I was I would consider a offer between 15-20 thousand. That money all at once would be very beneficial as I would put it too good use.

If you are over 50, your kidney would be worth about $400.
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Texas
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They do already.


Duke Energy sued for polluting drinking water

More examples...........

Emerald Coal Sued In Pennsylvania For Allegedly Polluting Waterways

U.S. Sues Mine Companies Over Pollution Across Idaho

Oil company sued $8.6bn for Amazon pollution

3M Sued Over Water Pollution Claim


And on and on and on................

Corporations want to own our rivers, streams, and lakes not so they can take pride in ownership, but so they can freely pollute them without getting sued!
Reality is they get sued. What's your point?

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If corporations don't take pride in our natural resources that are for everyone to enjoy, they certainly won't take anymore pride if they owned them. They would freely exploit them for profit!
What are you going on about? Someone making a profit? Is that it and you're jealous?

The problem is people like you who want government to look after things. How'd that work out in the gulf oil spill? Couldn't enforce the regulations on the book so the answer is more regulations.

It's not our fault, government gave us the okay.
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Supply and demand on a free market.
Supply and demand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is elementary economics.

Proponents of selling organs think that suddenly so many more organs will be available. The scarce organs which are hearts, lungs (especially), and livers, in most cases cannot be harvested after death. A person must be a relatively good health and basically brain dead while being kept alive when their organs are harvested. A very small percentage of people, who already have indicated they will donate, actually die this way.
Like I said, you have no proof. According to you if people sold organs the amount or organs available would go down. How? Why?
What difference does it make about the organs shelf life as it pertains to donated organs versus for sale organs?
Of course if people are able to sell organs there would be more organs available and thus more people saved. And you're against more people being saved?

Is it because of your belief that big government should be doing societies work, which means you don't feel obligated to help others, so no one else will?
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Reality is they get sued. What's your point?

What are you going on about? Someone making a profit? Is that it and you're jealous?

The problem is people like you who want government to look after things. How'd that work out in the gulf oil spill? Couldn't enforce the regulations on the book so the answer is more regulations.

It's not our fault, government gave us the okay.
Whatever.
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Like I said, you have no proof. According to you if people sold organs the amount or organs available would go down. How? Why?
What difference does it make about the organs shelf life as it pertains to donated organs versus for sale organs?
Of course if people are able to sell organs there would be more organs available and thus more people saved. And you're against more people being saved?

Is it because of your belief that big government should be doing societies work, which means you don't feel obligated to help others, so no one else will?

Only those people wealthy enough to buy a healthy organ will benefit. The middle class will only be able to afford an organ donated from an old sick person. The poor will be donating kidneys to eat and committing suicide so that the sale of their other organs will feed the family.
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:58 PM
 
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One thing I'd like to point out. Ron Paul is NOT a libertarian. He has repeatedly gone on record (for example in the Supreme Court's ruling on sodomy laws) in supporting STATE RIGHTS over individual civil liberties. This is a point that seems to elude people.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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One thing I'd like to point out. Ron Paul is NOT a libertarian. He has repeatedly gone on record (for example in the Supreme Court's ruling on sodomy laws) in supporting STATE RIGHTS over individual civil liberties. This is a point that seems to elude people.
Ron Paul is senile.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:30 PM
 
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Actually, doctors developed the protocol for the transplant list. Government has allowed doctors free reign to do what they believe is the best based on medical and scientific knowledge. Kathleen Sebellius allowed doctors to continue to practice medicine without government interference. A federal judge did not.

The wealthy will get the organs and the rest of the population will be donating their's for cash to pay the bills.
It's really a shame that you are too partisan to even stop and think about a topics ramifications and possibilities.

If you could get paid for your organs....think of the surge in organ donation.

That wouldn't mean more for the rich, but rather for everybody.

You even linked to this logic but chose to ignore it.

Seriously, have you no shame?
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