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This has gotten ridiculous, the lengths liberals will go to lower the bar for criminal aliens, in order to excuse the crimes they commit. The senate bill, Section 1541 "Trafficking in Passports," pardons an illegal alien who is guilty of knowingly, and purposely forging, selling or distributing up to two passports.
“any person who, during any period of 3 years or less, knowingly –
(1) and without lawful authority produces, issues, or transfers 3 or more passports;
(2) forges, counterfeits, alters, or falsely makes 3 or more passports;
(3) secures, possesses, uses, receives, buys, sells, or distributes 3 or more passports, knowing the passports to be forged, counterfeited, altered, falsely made, stolen, procured by fraud, or produced or issued without lawful authority; or
(4) completes, mails, prepares, presents, signs, or submits 3 or more applications for a United States passport, knowing the applications to contain any materially false statement or representation, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.”
Current Title 18 Code considers even one passport forgery to be a felony crime, this senate bill amends the US Code so that anyone can forge two passports and its not a crime, all to allow Juan and Juanita to forge their passports, and presumably, driver's licenses, Social Security cards too, and still be made legal.
In other sections of this bill that defines an illegal alien as "inadmissible", the Attorney General and Secretary of Homeland Security, are given blanket authority to grant waivers, i.e. pardons, for crimes of forgery, and fraud, if the AG thinks be not admitting the alien into the country might cause "result in extreme hardship" for anyone in their family.
(iii) WAIVER.—The Attorney General or the Secretary of Homeland Security may, in the discretion of the Attorney General or the Secretary, waive the application of clause (i) or (ii)(I) for an alien, regard less whether the alien is within or outside the United States, if the Attorney General or the Secretary finds that a determination of inadmissibility to the United States for such alien would-
(I) result in extreme hardship to the alien or to the alien’s parent, spouse, son, or daughter who is a citizen of the United States or an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence;
So add criminals, forgers, thieves and frauds, to "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"
This has gotten ridiculous, the lengths liberals will go to lower the bar for criminal aliens, in order to excuse the crimes they commit. The senate bill, Section 1541 "Trafficking in Passports," pardons an illegal alien who is guilty of knowingly, and purposely forging, selling or distributing up to two passports.
“any person who, during any period of 3 years or less, knowingly –
(1) and without lawful authority produces, issues, or transfers 3 or more passports;
(2) forges, counterfeits, alters, or falsely makes 3 or more passports;
(3) secures, possesses, uses, receives, buys, sells, or distributes 3 or more passports, knowing the passports to be forged, counterfeited, altered, falsely made, stolen, procured by fraud, or produced or issued without lawful authority; or
(4) completes, mails, prepares, presents, signs, or submits 3 or more applications for a United States passport, knowing the applications to contain any materially false statement or representation, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.”
Current Title 18 Code considers even one passport forgery to be a felony crime, this senate bill amends the US Code so that anyone can forge two passports and its not a crime, all to allow Juan and Juanita to forge their passports, and presumably, driver's licenses, Social Security cards too, and still be made legal.
The bill does not do what you claim. It simply adds an extra category of offense for "trafficking" that deals with instances where three or more passports are involved. Similar to how drug trafficking laws do not "pardon" crimes related to drug manufacturing or drug possession.
In other sections of this bill that defines an illegal alien as "inadmissible", the Attorney General and Secretary of Homeland Security, are given blanket authority to grant waivers, i.e. pardons, for crimes of forgery, and fraud
Again, you're misreading the bill. The waiver authority is only granted for the inadmissibility part; it's not a "pardon" for the crimes of forgery or fraud. It's still a little eyebrow-raising, but hardly likely to result in an opening of floodgates for criminals.
The bill does not do what you claim. It simply adds an extra category of offense for "trafficking" that deals with instances where three or more passports are involved. Similar to how drug trafficking laws do not "pardon" crimes related to drug manufacturing or drug possession.
In fact, Sec 3707(h) of the bill, "table of sections amendment" is more evidence that sec. 1543 remains part of the law.
The bill amends US Title 18 code. Why the insertion of forging three passports before the "not more than twenty year" punishment, and why not one or two passport forgeries? Do you think the democrats stiffened the punishments for passport fraud with this bill, the the purpose of specifically targeting illegal immigrants?
Again, you're misreading the bill. The waiver authority is only granted for the inadmissibility part; it's not a "pardon" for the crimes of forgery or fraud. It's still a little eyebrow-raising, but hardly likely to result in an opening of floodgates for criminals.
The AG and the Sec. of Homeland Security can waive there crimes, if that is not a pardon, how else should I view it?
No one suggested otherwise. But Title 18 of the US Code has many sections. The ones that are relevant here are Chapter 75, Sections 1541-1547.
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Why the insertion of forging three passports before the "not more than twenty year" punishment, and why not one or two passport forgeries?
Because 'three or more' is the new and separate crime of trafficking passports. Re-read my analogy with drug trafficking posted above; it's the clearest way I can explain it.
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Do you think the democrats stiffened the punishments for passport fraud with this bill, the the purpose of specifically targeting illegal immigrants?
With this bill, they added a section on trafficking passports to the law. The existing crimes and penalties for forging and misusing fake passports REMAIN UNCHANGED.
They can't waive the crimes. The authority the bill grants is to waive the inadmissibility.
In other words, the AG or Secretary can waive the prohibition on allowing them into the country. It's not the same thing as "pardoning" a crime.
Regardless, to allow this is bull. They shouldnt have any chance of staying here, they should be booted out immediately.
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