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Old 07-20-2013, 01:20 PM
 
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Arguing that state officials in California do not have the power to order county clerks to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, the clerk of San Diego County has asked the state Supreme Court to clarify the law and in the meantime to temporarily block clerks from licensing gays and lesbians to marry.
I know nothing about this clerk. Is he trying to be prudent or does he have some axe to grind with Prop 8?


New skirmish over gay marriage : SCOTUSblog
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Old 07-20-2013, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Ernie is a conservative activist but, to get elected, promised not "meddle" if Prop 8 was overturned. Well under the guise of due diligence, Ernie is doing just the opposite:

"It's tough to buy the argument that Dronenburg's simply doing his due diligence. Why? Because it wasn't the county's lawyers who who filed the petition on Dronenburg's behalf, but attorney Charles LiMandri. If that name's not familiar, here's a LiMandri primer:

Charles LiMandri, a Catholic lawyer best known for his pro-life, anti-gay legal crusades. LiMandri considers himself an expert on "countering the gay agenda," having served as an attorney for the National Organization of Marriage in the Prop. 8 battles and for the San Diego firefighters who sued the city after being required to march in a Pride parade. More recently, LiMandri launched an attack on University of San Diego for hosting a drag show; he's currently demanding that the Catholic university forbid its students from doing internships at organizations that support same-sex marriage."
San Diego County Clerk seeks to halt gay marriages

And look at how Ernie flaunts his own sexuality:

"He and his late wife Kathy had lived in San Diego County for over 50 years. Kathy was a member and Vice President of the State Board of Education for 12 years. She died on March 9, 2002 of breast cancer. They had three children Kristen 37, married and a structural engineer and mother of two children, Amy 35 a worker in a sheltered workshop, and Stephanie 30, formerly a kindergarten schoolteacher and now the mother of two year old identical twin boys. On November 15, 2003, he married Marilyn Herlihy. Marilyn and Ernie have seven grandchildren and they live on a 33 acre flower farm in Fallbrook, California. In his leisure time Ernie is an avid sailor and sports fan."

Full Biography for Ernest J. "Ernie" Dronenburg

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Old 07-20-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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"Charles LiMandri, a Catholic lawyer best known for his pro-life, anti-gay legal crusades. LiMandri considers himself an expert on "countering the gay agenda," having served as an attorney for the National Organization of Marriage in the Prop. 8 battles and for the San Diego firefighters who sued the city after being required to march in a Pride parade. More recently, LiMandri launched an attack on University of San Diego for hosting a drag show; he's currently demanding that the Catholic university forbid its students from doing internships at organizations that support same-sex marriage."
I wish the gay agenda would hold still. Everything I go looking for it I don't find it. It must be moving around because I never see it.
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Old 07-20-2013, 02:14 PM
 
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I wish the gay agenda would hold still. Everything I go looking for it I don't find it. It must be moving around because I never see it.
I think they're confusing the "gay agenda" (whatever the heck that even means) with a pesky little American concept called civil rights.
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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Ernie is a conservative activist but, to get elected, promised not "meddle" if Prop 8 was overturned. Well under the guise of due diligence, Ernie is doing just the opposite:

"It's tough to buy the argument that Dronenburg's simply doing his due diligence. Why? Because it wasn't the county's lawyers who who filed the petition on Dronenburg's behalf, but attorney Charles LiMandri. If that name's not familiar, here's a LiMandri primer:

Charles LiMandri, a Catholic lawyer best known for his pro-life, anti-gay legal crusades. LiMandri considers himself an expert on "countering the gay agenda," having served as an attorney for the National Organization of Marriage in the Prop. 8 battles and for the San Diego firefighters who sued the city after being required to march in a Pride parade. More recently, LiMandri launched an attack on University of San Diego for hosting a drag show; he's currently demanding that the Catholic university forbid its students from doing internships at organizations that support same-sex marriage."
San Diego County Clerk seeks to halt gay marriages

And look at how Ernie flaunts his own sexuality:

"He and his late wife Kathy had lived in San Diego County for over 50 years. Kathy was a member and Vice President of the State Board of Education for 12 years. She died on March 9, 2002 of breast cancer. They had three children Kristen 37, married and a structural engineer and mother of two children, Amy 35 a worker in a sheltered workshop, and Stephanie 30, formerly a kindergarten schoolteacher and now the mother of two year old identical twin boys. On November 15, 2003, he married Marilyn Herlihy. Marilyn and Ernie have seven grandchildren and they live on a 33 acre flower farm in Fallbrook, California. In his leisure time Ernie is an avid sailor and sports fan."

Full Biography for Ernest J. "Ernie" Dronenburg

who gets married a year and a half after their spouse of decades dies? a conservative.
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Old 07-20-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Ernie is a conservative activist but, to get elected, promised not "meddle" if Prop 8 was overturned. Well under the guise of due diligence, Ernie is doing just the opposite:

"It's tough to buy the argument that Dronenburg's simply doing his due diligence. Why? Because it wasn't the county's lawyers who who filed the petition on Dronenburg's behalf, but attorney Charles LiMandri. If that name's not familiar, here's a LiMandri primer:

Charles LiMandri, a Catholic lawyer best known for his pro-life, anti-gay legal crusades. LiMandri considers himself an expert on "countering the gay agenda," having served as an attorney for the National Organization of Marriage in the Prop. 8 battles and for the San Diego firefighters who sued the city after being required to march in a Pride parade. More recently, LiMandri launched an attack on University of San Diego for hosting a drag show; he's currently demanding that the Catholic university forbid its students from doing internships at organizations that support same-sex marriage."
San Diego County Clerk seeks to halt gay marriages

And look at how Ernie flaunts his own sexuality:

"He and his late wife Kathy had lived in San Diego County for over 50 years. Kathy was a member and Vice President of the State Board of Education for 12 years. She died on March 9, 2002 of breast cancer. They had three children Kristen 37, married and a structural engineer and mother of two children, Amy 35 a worker in a sheltered workshop, and Stephanie 30, formerly a kindergarten schoolteacher and now the mother of two year old identical twin boys. On November 15, 2003, he married Marilyn Herlihy. Marilyn and Ernie have seven grandchildren and they live on a 33 acre flower farm in Fallbrook, California. In his leisure time Ernie is an avid sailor and sports fan."

Full Biography for Ernest J. "Ernie" Dronenburg

Seems like Ernie needs to lose his job.
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:19 AM
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Location: Florida
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Seems like it. Public servants need to acknowledge and recognize that their own personal preferences don't govern the parameters of their jobs, and that if they cannot in good conscience do their jobs in accordance with the law as it is, then they need to walk away rather than try to act like God and dictate their own beliefs and values onto the people they're supposed to serve.
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:36 AM
 
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May as well, the personal preferences of the People of California didn't matter.
What they were to do was dictated to them by government acting as though they were "God".
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:50 AM
 
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May as well, the personal preferences of the People of California didn't matter.
What they were to do was dictated to them by government acting as though they were "God".
I know! That whole equal rights for African-Americans and women's right to vote crap that was forced on citizens. They need to just leave well alone.

Yeah, that statement is as stupid and bigoted as yours.

Next.
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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After seeing the same thing happen in Spain to a friend of ours from there when he went to marry his long time boyfriend. The Spanish government did the right thing. The head official of the town went to the court house with our friends, when the clerk refused to issue the permits the guy gave him one more chance and then he fired him on the spot. He then issued the permits himself, that action pretty much stopped all that silly crap on the spot in Spain.
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