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Of course his stance had nothing to do with self defense. That was obvious from the 911 call. But he referred to it in that call as justification for doing what he was about to do. That is the point. Correct me if I am wrong, but did he not kill these men as they were fleeing his neighbor's house and not his? Why did he shoot to kill? Is burglary, as offensive as it is, punishable by execution? I suppose it is in Taliban Texas law.
Thou shall not steal. :-)
Yes, in Texas we are allowed to do that. It's not Taliban law; it's good law for good citizens.
By the way, there's no shoot to wound or warning shot in the eyes of law. He didn't shoot to kill. He shot to stop them as they tried to run away. They should have stopped.
Last edited by lifeexplorer; 07-25-2013 at 02:37 PM..
Of course his stance had nothing to do with self defense. That was obvious from the 911 call. But he referred to it in that call as justification for doing what he was about to do. That is the point. Correct me if I am wrong, but did he not kill these men as they were fleeing his neighbor's house and not his? Why did he shoot to kill? Is burglary, as offensive as it is, punishable by execution? I suppose it is in Taliban Texas law.
Here's an excerpt from New York Penal code Article 35 that sets out when deadly force may be used to the benefit of a third party...
"In order for a Person to be justified in using Deadly Physical Force, he/she must be factually correct that the person committing the crime is actually: using Deadly Physical Force on the Person or a 3rd person, committing Robbery, committing Arson, committing Burglary (it is advised that the Person retreat whenever possible), kidnapping, committing Forcible Rape, and/or committing Forcible Sodomy (Criminal Sexual Act)."
Joe Horn would likely have been held to the same standard in that incredibly oppressive state you're so sick of. Afterall, he was definitely factually correct that the men he killed were committing burglary.
I don't know why you believe that Horn would take a different course of action. It takes a lot of nerve to kill someone in cold blood when you are NOT in imminent danger, which clearly, he was not. This Horn guy was using this law to do what he felt like doing, without a second thought.
That being said, there will be many more questionable killings that most likely would be avoidable. Again, the roots of this law stem form the NRA and it is in their best interest to arm evey citizen for their bottom line. If even one killing is avoided by repealing this law it is well worth it. Do you not understand that as long as there are no witnesses, any person can fabricate any scenario they choose to justify using the SYG statute. Think of the ramifications. We are already seeing them and there have always been laws protecting people for justifiable self defense homicides, so why this one on steroids? Again...the NRA and their bottom line. As simple as that.
Look, you can view it any way you like. Horn was defending his neighbors and their property. You might not like the fact that there is danger in breaking the law, but it's about the only disincentive we have to prevent people from taking out property. Crime can be dangerous to your health, if you don't want to get shot, don't break into my home. Easy peasy.
I hope it was a legally owned gun though....for her sake.
And, for her sake, I'm glad she had a gun handy.
Kind of doubt that gun was legal as she had quite a few assault cases before.
Even the gun is illegal, she still has the right to stand her ground and right to defend herself. If the guy displayed a knife within 21 feet, it would be an immediate justification to use deadly force without retreat.
I am not sure this is self defense though but would like to hear more. The report from the media is sketchy at the best.
The interesting part is that I don't hear from the mass calling her to retreat. If only she didn't step out of the car...
Kind of doubt that gun was legal as she had quite a few assault cases before.
Even the gun is illegal, she still has the right to stand her ground and right to defend herself. If the guy displayed a knife within 21 feet, it would be an immediate justification to use deadly force without retreat.
I am not sure this is self defense though but would like to hear more. The report from the media is sketchy at the best.
Well, since the shooter wasn't white, don't hold your breath.
BTW.....I thought that SYG could only be used by white men?
Of course his stance had nothing to do with self defense. That was obvious from the 911 call. But he referred to it in that call as justification for doing what he was about to do. That is the point. Correct me if I am wrong, but did he not kill these men as they were fleeing his neighbor's house and not his? Why did he shoot to kill? Is burglary, as offensive as it is, punishable by execution? I suppose it is in Taliban Texas law.
The reason so many do it, so frequently, is because there is so little chance of any down side. Texas is aiming to change that, and I'm sorry you don't agree.
My opinion is that if you are a parasite on society, then there is no place for you in society, and our prisons are already full.
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