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Old 07-29-2013, 07:58 AM
 
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Good luck, kids. Most politicians today (both sides) put party before country.

Young GOP leaders see need for substantive changes

Young GOP leaders see need for substantive changes | Political Headlines | Comcast

Republicans hoping to reach beyond the party's white, aging core must do more than retool campaign strategy and tactics, say young GOP leaders pressing elected officials to offer concrete policies to counter Democratic initiatives.

"It's very easy to just say no, and there are times where it's appropriate to say no," said Jason Weingartner of New York, the newly elected chairman of the Young Republican National Federation. "But there are times where you need to lead and present ideas on the issues of the day."

Weingartner and other under-40 activists at a recent national young Republican gathering in Mobile said their party must follow an all-of-the-above approach. Their assessment goes beyond the more general prescriptions that many party leaders, including Reince Priebus, the Republican National Committee chairman, have offered since November, when Republicans lost the popular vote for the fifth time in the past six presidential elections.
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Old 07-29-2013, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I disagree with the conclusion that both parties put party before country. When Bush was President, the Democrats often went along with Bush for the good of the nation.

However, it is true that unless the GOP changes but it surely looks like they aren't willing to do it.
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Old 07-29-2013, 08:19 AM
 
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The GOP is on course to become obsolete. The current strategy of ultra-conservatism on social issues is alienating young voters, and once the GOP is forced to right its course for survival, it will come across as disingenuous. Stupid social policies like oral sex bans, vaginal probes, and unrealistic & expensive deportation approaches may be en vogue for conservatives at the moment, but it's going to look real dumb going forward.

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Old 07-29-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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I disagree with the conclusion that both parties put party before country. When Bush was President, the Democrats often went along with Bush for the good of the nation.

However, it is true that unless the GOP changes but it surely looks like they aren't willing to do it.
Of course won't change...because somebody needs to play the "bad cop".
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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The GOP is on course to become obsolete. The current strategy of ultra-conservatism on social issues is alienating young voters, and once the GOP is forced to right its course for survival, it will come across as disingenuous. Stupid social policies like oral sex bans, vaginal probes, and unrealistic & expensive deportation approaches may be en vogue for the socially conservative at the moment, but it's going to look real dumb going forward.
I think it's less that the GOP is on course to becoming obsolete as it is that younger conservatives under 40 have a more libertarian, open bent that isn't hostile towards other groups. It might take a while (20 years or so) but I think it's highly unlikely that conservative principles are a problem at all. Racism, while clearly in existence, is frowned upon today, and homophobia is quickly headed in that direction. The GOP might be a little more accepting, but I don't think it will become obsolete. (I actually think there's a good chance it will come back stronger because a lot of people vote for Democrats who don't truly support what they're doing.)
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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I think it's less that the GOP is on course to becoming obsolete as it is that younger conservatives under 40 have a more libertarian, open bent that isn't hostile towards other groups. It might take a while (20 years or so) but I think it's highly unlikely that conservative principles are a problem at all. Racism, while clearly in existence, is frowned upon today, and homophobia is quickly headed in that direction. The GOP might be a little more accepting, but I don't think it will become obsolete. (I actually think there's a good chance it will come back stronger because a lot of people vote for Democrats who don't truly support what they're doing.)
I agree that young GOPers tend toward libertarian ideals, but, from what I've observed, this tends toward the "stay out of my personal choices," and current republican social policies are quite intrusive in that regard. A bigger issue for the party is that "white America" is not the future of America, and openly anti-Latino policies (and subsequent costs) aren't going to be looked upon as favorable with the soon-to-be Hispanic majority. Once the aging GOP loses Texas' Electoral College votes to the growing young/Latino population, republicans will have a tough hill to climb if they are to remain relevant. Old white people may be the hand that's feeding the republican party today, but that hand is dying... literally.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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On health care, Weingartner said that besides regularly voting to repeal Obama's law, the GOP should emphasize its own ideas such as buying insurance across state lines, while better explaining the Affordable Care Act's cost shift onto younger, healthy individuals

There is an unprecedented 50 different protected state insurance fiefdoms appointed by state government. 50 different lobbies, laws and processes. Insanity.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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On health care, Weingartner said that besides regularly voting to repeal Obama's law, the GOP should emphasize its own ideas such as buying insurance across state lines, while better explaining the Affordable Care Act's cost shift onto younger, healthy individuals

There is an unprecedented 50 different protected state insurance fiefdoms appointed by state government. 50 different lobbies, laws and processes. Insanity.

And I agree. the GOP is so locked into the knee-jerk no that they are missing one hell of an opportunity to make themselves look good, and to improve Obamacare. But they are so intent on blocking everything they're missing the big picture.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:56 AM
 
Location: texas
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"But there are times where you need to lead and present ideas on the issues of the day."
Ah, young pups. there is nothing like the day when wide-eyed enthusiasm hits the **** fan of reality.
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Old 07-29-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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On health care, Weingartner said that besides regularly voting to repeal Obama's law, the GOP should emphasize its own ideas such as buying insurance across state lines, while better explaining the Affordable Care Act's cost shift onto younger, healthy individuals

There is an unprecedented 50 different protected state insurance fiefdoms appointed by state government. 50 different lobbies, laws and processes. Insanity.
Yet it's one of the core planks in the GOP's health care platform, and has been since they had to abandon their old one because it became Obamacare.
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