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That's silly. Real estate values have nothing to do with density per se. Detroit is denser than Salt Lake City and homes on average are valued less in Detroit than Salt Lake City. Some of you really need to read stuff other than Daily Kos.
Never said they did. But they do speak to the desirabliiity of an area. Detroit median is 51k. SLC median is 143.3k. Las Vegas Median 161K. Anaheim CA median is 430k.
Can you guess where people prefer to live?
The result would be that prices have nothing to do with political ideology either.
It's funny how people think I was referring to political ideology. Plenty of GOP controlled states that fair poorly compared to Utah. Notice the things Utah lacks in relation to other states, teenage pregnancy & abortions.
That's what I was getting at not politics per se.
Yet you asked "Liberals" (a political term) to explain why Utah was a success. Such a title leads one to believe you are claiming that Utah's conservative politics are its strength. But backtrack now. We're used to it
I have, and I have had better. I have been through Utah before and I currently have a friend that has been living there the past year and hates the beer there because it is either weak or expensive.
And I have been to the east coast and had better and stronger beers than they have there. Plus, I don't have to make up an imaginary "friend" to defend my stance.
BTW, first sentence quoted would indicate that you have also had worse beers. Would those be from your home neighborhood?
It's funny how people think I was referring to political ideology. Plenty of GOP controlled states that fair poorly compared to Utah. Notice the things Utah lacks in relation to other states, teenage pregnancy & abortions.
That's what I was getting at not politics per se.
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Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas
The same model cannot be duplicated across the Nation, simple as that.
But, of course, your liberal model can and should be duplicated across the nation, right?
The Mormon church has a huge social support system for their members and possible converts and accepts significant tithes from their members. It's essentially a social welfare system to back up the minimal system supported by the state government of Utah. This would work in other states too if the majority of the population would be willing to accept a similar religion that tends to become the center of their adherents' lives. But very few places are that homogenous with that complex of a social welfare system established by the dominant church, therefore there is the need for state intervention. Read the history of the Church of Latter Day Saints - it was basically a skewed form of socialism that helped establish Utah - just based on a religion rather than a government.
The answer is that there isn't a one-size-fits-all approach to conservatism, or liberalism for that matter.
For example, let's say you don't support handouts (a conservative principle.) Some hard working people get laid off and need to find a new job. Do you:
1. Enact policies that would streamline and/or simplify the process to make it easier for them to find meaningful employment, or
2. Deride them as "lazy moochers" so you feel okay about not helping them out?
Conservatives that do (1) are going to find a lot more success than conservatives who do (2). My guess is that culturally, Utah does a lot more (1) type things than the average Republican state.
It's funny how people think I was referring to political ideology. Plenty of GOP controlled states that fair poorly compared to Utah. Notice the things Utah lacks in relation to other states, teenage pregnancy & abortions.
That's what I was getting at not politics per se.
Again, one would have to look at the founding of the state, the residents of the state and how that compares with the rest of America.
It might that those specific combination of factors has lead Utah to have low rates of teen pregnancy and abortion.
Those conditions might be very difficult to replicate in other states.
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