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"The exceptions to this rule are very few and include: nonimmigrant alienson student, visitor, tourist, or diplomatic visas"
Such persons are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction.
And yet illegal alien males are specifically required to register, when many non-immigrants (here by the permission of the U.S. government) are not. A non-immigrant visa can be as much as a spouse of a U.S. citizen (K-3), or minor stepchildren of a U.S. citizen (K-4). Historically aliens have been required to register for draft pools, even at a time when you just had to declare that your intention was to naturalize as you entered the United States.
Originally Posted by InformedConsent From that link:
"The exceptions to this rule are very few and include: nonimmigrant alienson student, visitor, tourist, or diplomatic visas"
Such persons are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction.
And yet illegal alien males are specifically required to register, when many non-immigrants (here by the permission of the U.S. government) are not. A non-immigrant visa can be as much as a spouse of a U.S. citizen (K-3), or minor stepchildren of a U.S. citizen (K-4). Historically aliens have been required to register for draft pools, even at a time when you just had to declare that your intention was to naturalize as you entered the United States.
Not a comment to you IBM since I have the troll on ignore, but the red bolded text is absolutely not true.
those on student visas are absolutely subject our jurisdiction (as quickly found out by a college friend of mines in the 90's); they can be arrested, jailed, fined and released, like any person on US Soil (of course the usual exceptions apply).
Do you know why they must register? If they are legalized for whatever reason. As illegals they can not join nor be conscripted into the US military.
False. Whether they did not register for the Selective Service before attaining age 26 has no impact on gaining legal residency. Where it will become an issue is when they attempt to naturalize (from that legal residency), because they didn't satisfy their obligation.
You aren't understanding the Selective Service registration. Even disabled or unqualified males must register. The draft boards later determine fitness for duty based on need.
Wow, this thread is gonna rival MichaelNo's opus of 500 posts before it's done.
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It's right here in the majority opinion decision's closing paragraph, word for word.
I said "point it out in the body of the opinion", not in the summary paragraph.
You can't point to it because it doesn't exist in the body of the opinion.
If it doesn't exist in the body of the opinion, don't you think that it's kind of strange that Justice Gray just sort of tacked it on at the end as an afterthought?
Do you really think that Supreme Court opinions are that sloppily authored?
So you won't actually provide your special and unique definition of 'permanent domicile'?
My definition doesn't matter. What matters is whether the parents have their LPR (Lawful Permanent Resident) cards (available since the late 1940's, early 1950's) at the time of their child's birth.
Yet another side-step.
It has yet to be shown that an LPR card is required for a foreign alien to obtain a permanent domicile within the United States. It's simply your claim that you insist must be taken as truth without any supporting evidence.
Consider this: Wong Kim Ark was born in San Francisco around 1871 and you have already pointed out that his parents, Chinese nationals, had established a permanent domicile at the time of his birth. Just how did they establish a permanent domicile without an LPR card, which would not be available for another 70+ years?
If Wong Kim Ark's parent's didn't need an LPR card back in 1871 to establish a permanent domicile, why are you insisting that it is now required for such status?
It has yet to be shown that an LPR card is required for a foreign alien to obtain a permanent domicile within the United States. It's simply your claim that you insist must be taken as truth without any supporting evidence.
Consider this: Wong Kim Ark was born in San Francisco around 1871 and you have already pointed out that his parents, Chinese nationals, had established a permanent domicile at the time of his birth. Just how did they establish a permanent domicile without an LPR card, which would not be available for another 70+ years?
If Wong Kim Ark's parent's didn't need an LPR card back in 1871 to establish a permanent domicile, why are you insisting that it is now required for such status?
Until just a few years ago, the majority of those attaining legal residency were already present in the United States (mostly in non-immigrant categories)...
And yet illegal alien males are specifically required to register
Realistically, if no one knows they exist because they are undocumented, how is it determined that illegal aliens are actually registered?
And don't make us laugh... they're in the U.S. illegally but for some odd reason decide they're going to comply with federal law on just this one thing?
We should amend the constitution to provide citizenship only to those children who have at least one parent citizen. Fatherhood for the purpose of the amendment may be assumed by marriage, or confirmed by DNA test within the first 6 months of life.
Realistically, if no one knows they exist because they are undocumented, how is it determined that illegal aliens are actually registered?...
The system does have a way to validate whether you registered (President Obama's registration has even come up under debate on this forum). There, I went to sss.gov (again) and just verified I had registered. It is verified when a male Legal Permanent Resident attempts to naturalize if they were determined to be present (legally or illegally) during that age span.
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...And don't make us laugh... they're in the U.S. illegally but for some odd reason decide they're going to comply with federal law on just this one thing?...
It doesn't harm or identify them, so there is no risk for them to register. On another forum I frequent, the U.S. citizen spouses (commonly women) are heavily advised to prompt their man to do this (within the age span). Yes, there are many with the presence of mind to register.
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