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If the state you live in makes it illegal for businesses to discriminate against customers who want 'Heil Hitler' written on a cake or banner or tshirt, then yes, they should be forced to make the cake or banner or tshirt.
This thread exhibits an accidental or deliberate ignorance of the actual matters in dispute in the two recent discrimination cases being discussed in myriad threads. There was never any dispute about what products or services were to be offered. The patrons were not asking for anything that the service providers weren't not already offering for sale to the public.
Why should any business be forced to bake a cake or cookies or anything for anyone?
I'm sure there are gay/lesbian bakeries in most every city, why not go there and support them as they support you.
The only reason most people with a different lifestyle force this issue is because they want the attention even though they state in the same breath "we want to be treated just like everyone else".
If that were true you would not draw attention to yourself or put on that I'm gay,lesbian, nazi, kkk or whatever you are neon sign above your head and spout about being treated equally and not wanting attention.
It is like so many who post on this forum "Looking for gay/lesbian friendly neighborhood". Why have you labeled yourself and why are you announcing that you have a different lifestyle. Most would probably never notice if you did not shift the focus of attention to yourself and your lifestyle.
What if those very owners support a Christian owned bakery being forced to make a cake for a gay wedding?
No, because being a national socialist or a antisemite is a choice.
Homosexuals are born with the attraction of their own sex. I know I'm not attracted to men, are you?
Since one is something your born with, and the other is a choice made as an adult, you can't discriminate against something yiu were born with.
And let me be clear. Im against discrimination laws in a free country. I think if a black bakery owner doesn't want to serve a white guy or an asian, thats his business.
I'm simply talking from the point of view with your opening idea. You seem fine with anti discrimination laws for some, but not others. I'm trying to be intellectually pure by saying I support no discrimination laws
Last edited by Memphis1979; 09-06-2013 at 05:06 AM..
I don't think you understand what protected class means.
Protected classes are a reflection of equal protection under the law. It is a recognition that certain groups are subjected to surreptitious discrimination in society. A good example of this was modeled in the bakery and photographer threads, with people who support bigotry suggesting that the service providers should have just lied, saying that they were not available, instead of revealing that their motivation for refusing to service those customers was discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Such surreptitious discrimination exists and continues because the overt discrimination had been allowed to continue with impunity, thereby indoctrinating hordes of bigots in the disreputable antipathy for "others". The purpose of anti-discrimination laws' protected classes is to communicate the lack of acceptability of such offensive, self-centered, hateful behavior so not only the overt discrimination ends, but the surreptitious discrimination declines as well.
No, because being a national socialist or a antisemite is a choice.
Homosexuals are born with the attraction of their own sex. I know I'm not attracted to men, are you?
Since one is something your born with, and the other is a choice made as an adult, you can't discriminate against something yiu were born with.
A protected class isn't necessarily just someone without choice. Race and sexual orientation aren't choices, but religious beliefs and pregnancy ARE choices, and they're protected classes under federal law as well. The important issue with this is that the store isn't being asked to MAKE or SELL anything that they wouldn't normally make or sell. A wedding cake is a wedding cake--there is no such thing as a "gay wedding cake"--it's a wedding cake made FOR a gay couple. A business can't discriminate on WHO they sell to or make things for if that individual is part of a protected class. For instance, a bakery that makes only cupcakes and cookies can't be made to make a wedding cake for any reason, but they have to SELL what they already make for everyone else--cupcakes and cookies--to people regardless of their religious beliefs, race, and in some states sexual orientation, etc.
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