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We have enough energy sources here in North America to survive.
We may have to live a little longer with environmental issues - But, if we bring home all our troops, educate and train many of them in the field of energy - we can make improvements all around.
Then take the money spent for war, and give everyone at least a 2 year college education.
Let the people in the Middle East and Venezuela suck on their oil for nutrition - Maybe then they'll start remembering who are the terrorists causing the world problems.
We do not need amnesty for illegals - we'll need the work for our returning military. If the illegals are so ambitious, let them improve their home countries, and let them stand up to whoever is holding them back in their home countries (they seem to have big gazoos making demands on us).
And our immigration should go back to the normal and fair process that the rest of the people that want to come here have to go through (though we can focus on improving it).
We can be the best help to the poor in the world when we are strong ourselves (economically).
Enough of our young being killed and maimed - it is destroying a generation of people here.
Syria is the latest example of the mistake we are making in getting involved in the Middle East. The latest news item and photo of the rebels executing people, and the acknowledgement that they too have chemical weapons, is the absolute reason to walk away....(and if the photo is a year old, so what - have these nuts converted into something else over the past year?....I don't think so!).
The fact that there may be bipartisan agreement means one thing...these crooks in Washington D.C. are all making money for themselves and their donors in the defense industry.
I am all for it. It's strategic step, but the country who owns US wont let it happen, be assured.
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Originally Posted by migee
We have enough energy sources here in North America to survive.
We may have to live a little longer with environmental issues - But, if we bring home all our troops, educate and train many of them in the field of energy - we can make improvements all around.
Then take the money spent for war, and give everyone at least a 2 year college education.
Let the people in the Middle East and Venezuela suck on their oil for nutrition - Maybe then they'll start remembering who are the terrorists causing the world problems.
We do not need amnesty for illegals - we'll need the work for our returning military. If the illegals are so ambitious, let them improve their home countries, and let them stand up to whoever is holding them back in their home countries (they seem to have big gazoos making demands on us).
And our immigration should go back to the normal and fair process that the rest of the people that want to come here have to go through (though we can focus on improving it).
We can be the best help to the poor in the world when we are strong ourselves (economically).
Enough of our young being killed and maimed - it is destroying a generation of people here.
Syria is the latest example of the mistake we are making in getting involved in the Middle East. The latest news item and photo of the rebels executing people, and the acknowledgement that they too have chemical weapons, is the absolute reason to walk away....(and if the photo is a year old, so what - have these nuts converted into something else over the past year?....I don't think so!).
The fact that there may be bipartisan agreement means one thing...these crooks in Washington D.C. are all making money for themselves and their donors in the defense industry.
You don't get it.. The powers that be, (Republican and democrat alike) have no intention of brokering world peace or any lack of participation by the US. They want confrontations. Our military are mere pawns in the big chess game.
We may have to live a little longer with environmental issues - But, if we bring home all our troops, educate and train many of them in the field of energy - we can make improvements all around. Then take the money spent for war, and give everyone at least a 2 year college education.
Both of these things require shifting money from military budgets to what Republicans derisively refer to as "entitlements" in an effort to disparage such expenditures. While there are good reasons to call for a more peaceful stance, internationally - I'm not commenting with support or opposition to that - you and Glitch both have strong points, with regard to that - but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that a substantive military draw-down would prompt RWNJs in Congress to suddenly grow some consideration for others. Instead, it is more likely that they'll simply see it as an opportunity to reduce taxes that they and their rich supporters have to pay, fostering the comfort and luxury of those who already have much, rather than pursuing the ideas of substantial infrastructure improvements or universal college education.
Isolationism is shortsighted and irrational, unless your goal is to end up like North Korea.
We are not talking about isolationism...We are talking about getting out of the Mid-East situation. I also mentioned that (we) can best help the poor in other countries if we become economically strong ourselves.
Both of these things require shifting money from military budgets to what Republicans derisively refer to as "entitlements" in an effort to disparage such expenditures. While there are good reasons to call for a more peaceful stance, internationally - I'm not commenting with support or opposition to that - you and Glitch both have strong points, with regard to that - but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that a substantive military draw-down would prompt RWNJs in Congress to suddenly grow some consideration for others. Instead, it is more likely that they'll simply see it as an opportunity to reduce taxes that they and their rich supporters have to pay, fostering the comfort and luxury of those who already have much, rather than pursuing the ideas of substantial infrastructure improvements or universal college education.
I'm a Republican...and I wrote this original post. So, not every Republican or Conservative is a right wing nut job.
What it will take is people getting of their computers, out of their houses, to the party meetings, and letting others in their party see and hear what we think is for the good of this country.
Relatively few people attend their political party meetings...and that gives the power to the nut jobs from the right and left.
We are not talking about isolationism...We are talking about getting out of the Mid-East situation. I also mentioned that (we) can best help the poor in other countries if we become economically strong ourselves.
Are you sure you are posting to the right thread?
Your OP said you wanted to "bring home all our troops." Not just those in the middle-east. Do you have any idea how many wars that would start? North Korea would instantly invade South Korea, and China would invade Taiwan, knowing that the US would not be involved, just to name two.
The military has absolutely no effect on the economies of other countries (except when destroying them in war), so bringing them all home would make absolutely no difference in that regard.
Our economy is weak because of the taxes and oppressive regulations imposed by Democrats, like ObamaCare. That also will not change by bringing all our troops home. Besides, the very last thing Democrats want is for the US to be self-sufficient. Democrats have gone to great lengths to ensure that our dependency on foreign sources for strategic resources has only increased. Meanwhile they have restricted all sources of domestic energy development, from oil to coal.
Democrats are a far greater threat to the survival of the US than al Qaeda or any other terrorist organization could ever hope to be.
Your OP said you wanted to "bring home all our troops." Not just those in the middle-east. Do you have any idea how many wars that would start? North Korea would instantly invade South Korea, and China would invade Taiwan, knowing that the US would not be involved, just to name two.
The military has absolutely no effect on the economies of other countries (except when destroying them in war), so bringing them all home would make absolutely no difference in that regard.
Our economy is weak because of the taxes and oppressive regulations imposed by Democrats, like ObamaCare. That also will not change by bringing all our troops home. Besides, the very last thing Democrats want is for the US to be self-sufficient. Democrats have gone to great lengths to ensure that our dependency on foreign sources for strategic resources has only increased. Meanwhile they have restricted all sources of domestic energy development, from oil to coal.
Democrats are a far greater threat to the survival of the US than al Qaeda or any other terrorist organization could ever hope to be.
In my OP I was primarily discussing energy (oil) and Syria...So I assumed people would know I was talking about the Middle East.
Even so...We have the UN...Focus on that. If we did bring home all our troops from all areas of the world, well then perhaps the rest of the world would wake up and do something about making the UN peacekeeping forces more effective.
And I am sure that the clowns from the Middle East and the other trouble making spots in the world would think a little more clearly on the effect all of this would have on them and their economies.
And yes, there would be battles in the UN itself....And perhaps the world would divide into 2 or 3 camps...But it would certainly be an opportunity for us to make the others (in our camp) contribute much more (in troops and money).
And situations like China taking over Taiwan....China's changing a bit. And there is plenty of trade between the two of them.
North and South Korea....Again, economics would be a big factor - and Russia and China may not be all that supportive of a war.
But, like I said - at least dump the situation in the Middle-East...just walk away from it.
Isolationism is shortsighted and irrational, unless your goal is to end up like North Korea.
Exactly. These same new born isolationist loons were barking up Clintons arse to pass Nafta. They are all insane.
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