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You don't get it.. The powers that be, (Republican and democrat alike) have no intention of brokering world peace or any lack of participation by the US. They want confrontations. Our military are mere pawns in the big chess game.
Dollar for oil. Been that way for fourty years folks need to pay attention. That is why we can print up 80 billion dollars a month and hand it to the banks to keep the stock market going. This is why we go to war in the middle east and have for...........well...........fourty years. OPEC.
In my OP I was primarily discussing energy (oil) and Syria...So I assumed people would know I was talking about the Middle East.
Even so...We have the UN...Focus on that. If we did bring home all our troops from all areas of the world, well then perhaps the rest of the world would wake up and do something about making the UN peacekeeping forces more effective.
ROFL! Focus on the UN? You have to be kidding, right?
The UN is completely and utterly useless without the might of the US military supporting their decisions. Can you name a single war the UN has won or a conflict that they have resolved? Hell, there are still UN Peacekeepers in Cyprus since 1974.
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And I am sure that the clowns from the Middle East and the other trouble making spots in the world would think a little more clearly on the effect all of this would have on them and their economies.
And yes, there would be battles in the UN itself....And perhaps the world would divide into 2 or 3 camps...But it would certainly be an opportunity for us to make the others (in our camp) contribute much more (in troops and money).
And situations like China taking over Taiwan....China's changing a bit. And there is plenty of trade between the two of them.
North and South Korea....Again, economics would be a big factor - and Russia and China may not be all that supportive of a war.
But, like I said - at least dump the situation in the Middle-East...just walk away from it.
The middle-east is a mess of our own making. Between the US, the British, and to some extent the French, we shaped what the middle-east has become. From the creation of Israel, Palestine and Jordan, to the elimination of Kurdistan after WW I, reshaping the borders of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. So now that we have completely screwed things up, you want to walk away?
Our message since 2001 has been that government sponsorship of international terrorism will not be tolerated. At the time the Afghani, Iranian, Iraqi, and Syrian governments were actively sponsoring international terrorism. Currently, the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan no longer sponsor international terrorism, but Iran and Syria have yet to get that message. Both Iran and Syria remain a legitimate US military target. However, since Syria is currently involved in a conflict with terrorists we should be supporting both sides (non-militarily) so that they inflict the maximum amount of casualties against each other. Just as we did during the Iran/Iraq war during the 1980s. Hopefully they will wipe each other out in Syria. That leaves only Iran, and sooner or later we will have to deal with them because nobody else will.
UN is a project supported by the PC utopia world kite flyers. The UN does nothing but steal money from whatever country they see a victim to thievery. It is amazing we sit here and allow these folks to rape our wealth. They will hopefully pay in the end.
not every Republican or Conservative is a right wing nut job.
Which is why I didn't say what I said about RWNJs about Republicans in general.
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What it will take is people getting of their computers, out of their houses, to the party meetings, and letting others in their party see and hear what we think is for the good of this country.
That doesn't indicate which way that approach will end up going... Will the reasonable people prevail or will the RWNJs prevail? Increasingly, the reality of the GOP is the latter. This is a natural reflection of the specific tactic that RWNJs employ, their insistence that the Republican Party eats its own, marginalizing moderates as RINOs, etc. Both sides do use such tactics: However, it is applied an order of magnitude more often on the right, and the RWNJs do it successfully.
We have enough energy sources here in North America to survive.
We have more than enough to "survive." We have enough for all our needs, and in fact, we are actually exporting gas and oil now.
Our problems on the energy front stem primarily from government restrictions on drilling and exploration. That needs to end. We need to exploit our resources that fuel our industries, and build wealth.
America is a rich country. We are behaving as though we are poor.
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We may have to live a little longer with environmental issues - But, if we bring home all our troops, educate and train many of them in the field of energy - we can make improvements all around.
What "environmental issues?" Most so-called "environmental issues" are manufactured by leftists to promote an agenda of their own, at the expense of everyone else. Anti-frackers are a good example, and those who promote so-called "renewable energy."
Fuel from food products (corn, soybeans, etc.) drives up food prices. Beef prices have increased dramatically, and I notice the price of chicken has been moving up steadily also. So has the price of pork. Two years ago, we were buying whole pork loin for $1.39/lb. in our neighborhood. Now it is $2.39/lb (or, on sale, $1.99/lb.).
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Then take the money spent for war, and give everyone at least a 2 year college education.
Bad idea. We don't need to "give" people a free college education paid for by the taxpayers. We could be looking to find out why a college education costs so much, and why college students aren't learning anything. There are too many useless courses being taught ("womens studies?" — please!).
We are also paying professors who don't even teach a class (Maya Angelou) six figure incomes!
Most college professors promote the agenda of the Left, and no other point of view is permissible. Conservative viewpoints are ridiculed. Why should tax payers be paying for that?
Tenure needs to end, also.
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Let the people in the Middle East and Venezuela suck on their oil for nutrition - Maybe then they'll start remembering who are the terrorists causing the world problems.
Bravo!
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We do not need amnesty for illegals - we'll need the work for our returning military. If the illegals are so ambitious, let them improve their home countries, and let them stand up to whoever is holding them back in their home countries (they seem to have big gazoos making demands on us).
And our immigration should go back to the normal and fair process that the rest of the people that want to come here have to go through (though we can focus on improving it).
I wholeheartedly agree!
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We can be the best help to the poor in the world when we are strong ourselves (economically).
Exactly! Right on!
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Enough of our young being killed and maimed - it is destroying a generation of people here.
Syria is the latest example of the mistake we are making in getting involved in the Middle East. The latest news item and photo of the rebels executing people, and the acknowledgement that they too have chemical weapons, is the absolute reason to walk away....(and if the photo is a year old, so what - have these nuts converted into something else over the past year?....I don't think so!).
The fact that there may be bipartisan agreement means one thing...these crooks in Washington D.C. are all making money for themselves and their donors in the defense industry.
There was talk many years ago of chemical weapons going into Syria (from Iraq), and most of our politicians at that time were in favor of attacking Iraq (because of its WMD program). Then when we didn't find them, it was: "Bush lied, people died!" And the Democrats joined the mantra against Bush (even though they, too, claimed that Sadam's program had to be stopped).
Isolationism is shortsighted and irrational, unless your goal is to end up like North Korea.
I didn't get the impression that the OP was talking about isolationism.
But, speaking of N. Korea, why aren't we talking about attacking that country? N. Korea has been murdering its people for years. Maybe not on such a grand scale, however.
Both of these things require shifting money from military budgets to what Republicans derisively refer to as "entitlements" in an effort to disparage such expenditures. While there are good reasons to call for a more peaceful stance, internationally - I'm not commenting with support or opposition to that - you and Glitch both have strong points, with regard to that - but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that a substantive military draw-down would prompt RWNJs in Congress to suddenly grow some consideration for others. Instead, it is more likely that they'll simply see it as an opportunity to reduce taxes that they and their rich supporters have to pay, fostering the comfort and luxury of those who already have much, rather than pursuing the ideas of substantial infrastructure improvements or universal college education.
"Infrastructure improvements;" i.e., "roads and bridges."
"Universal college education." Like "Universal health care?" How's that one working out so far?
The "rich Republicans" don't care about others, only themselves. They want to make the "rich" richer.
Blah, blah, blah!
In order to remain free, we need the strongest military with the most advanced weapons our technology and money can buy. That is how we protect ourselves against attack by our enemies.
Leftists (Democrats) foolishly believe we can "draw down" (as you put it) our military and our enemies will do the same, and the world will be a safer place!
Our enemies are laughing at us.
And as for "entitlements" (redistribution of wealth programs) they are bankrupting us. Socialism is not what made America a great, and wealthy country. Free market capitalism is.
The scary thing is that you seem to think that that's actually a logical repudiation of what you were replying to.
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Leftists (Democrats) foolishly believe we can "draw down" (as you put it) our military and our enemies will do the same, and the world will be a safer place!
You're stuck in the 1970s. Support for military spending hasn't been split along party lines like that for decades. Indeed, one of the front-runners for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination is one of the loudest proponents of reducing military spending.
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Our enemies are laughing at us.
Someone is laughing, but it isn't our enemies and it isn't laughing at "us".
Both of these things require shifting money from military budgets to what Republicans derisively refer to as "entitlements" in an effort to disparage such expenditures. While there are good reasons to call for a more peaceful stance, internationally - I'm not commenting with support or opposition to that - you and Glitch both have strong points, with regard to that - but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that a substantive military draw-down would prompt RWNJs in Congress to suddenly grow some consideration for others. Instead, it is more likely that they'll simply see it as an opportunity to reduce taxes that they and their rich supporters have to pay, fostering the comfort and luxury of those who already have much, rather than pursuing the ideas of substantial infrastructure improvements or universal college education.
they were speaking about returning military. ever heard of the GI bill?
we can't do any of this because barry obomber is the "president." he loves spending money to murder people, and until we stop doing that, we don't have money to spend here.
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All the buzzwords of a typical Leftist!
