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Equal benefits should be given to gay couples. Wanting to call it marriage is not about equality or rights, it's about pushing an agenda. 90% of the things that the gay community ******* about has absolutely nothing to do with equality or tolerance.
Wanting to call it marriage? What we want is equal access to the law and to the legal rights the law confers. The law in question is called "marriage." What it's titled is not my fault, and I should not be punished because you have a sensitive attachment to that word. If the law is called "marriage," then I want equal access to "marriage" law and the legal rights of "marriage."
There is not one single reason to oppose same sex marriage that isn't born of hate, fear, bigotry, ignorance, or some combination thereof.
Not one.
To preclude consensual adult couples from marrying based solely on their gender is the very definition of bigotry and discrimination.
Not really. Marriage's definition from the beginning of marriage ALWAYS meant one man and one women. It's the minority's agenda to change the meaning. Doesn't make it right and it is the height of intolerance.
Actually it's not that far fetched, slipper slope arguments are not always a fallacy. Like those who are arguing against going to war in Syria (and I am one), the argument is that by getting involved we may end up in another Iraq type situation again, this is technically a slippery slope argument. However it's a sound one.
You probably do not understand the slippery slope fallacy. Lets examine your argument. The Syrian one is one that has a very recent history of being something that could lead to other extended conflicts. SSM like the arguments used when inter racial marriage was opposed has NOT resulted in proponents for the other types of unions you lot allude to. In 10+ years since SSM was conferred to gay folk in South Africa, there have been ZERO applications for bestiality or paedophile couplings, ZERO. Thus your argument is a slippery slope. One would need to demonstrate where in the world where SSM is already sanctioned that this aspect has ever led to attempts to lower the age of consent. In fact the USA has it backwards IMO, you have 18 as the age of consent but issue drivers licences to 16 year olds, disallow drinking till 21. Here and most places, 16 is the age of legal consent and 18 driver license and the legal age for drinking. The age of 21 here is full transition to adulthood whereby the parents are no longer bound to be responsible for the actions of their offspring nor do they have any legal recourse to prevent say a marriage to someone not of their "choosing"
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Let's take the argument that gay marriage supporters use, they say "love is love " and "everyone should marry whoever they want " or " marriage is a right ", well the reality is that no one really believes that. If they did then they would also be okay with incest couples wanting to get married, or polygamy, or even lowering the age of consent. As you can see, everyone draws the line somewhere, hence making those gay marriage supporters arguments void of any weight. If you use that same logic to justify gay marriage then it can be used to justify any marriage, and no one wants that.
And there you pay the slippery slope once again. Incest couples have definate genetic risks and that it is why not even 1st cousins are allowed to marry. Incest still happens and even in the USA, it is prosecuted. I am not sure that even the age of consent would negate incest as being legal. I also doubt that any person in their right mind feels it is appropriate to bonk your own kids.
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But this isn't a thread about gay marriage, it's about hypocrisy in our culture. If a Christian doesn't support gay marriage many gays and their supporters will attack and bash them, even if they don't hate gay people at all (Christianity is about loving the sinner). However Muslims don't support gay marriage either, and they certainty do not love the sinner, they would not simply ignore and turn the other cheek if a gay person bashed them (like a Christian would) their reaction would probably be one of violence. But for some reason Gay people and their supporters have no such issue with Muslims, only Christians.
Muslims do not try and enforce their laws on everyone, even the ones wanting Shaira law want it only for folk of their own persuasion. The problem why this is not allowed is that some of their laws breach the rights of folk under current secular laws.
One could take the stance of so called "xian laws" were xians allowed to enforce xian shaira laws that would remove rights of women, you know the parts that suggest they are less than men as Eve is the one that sinned.
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Hence my original point. What is with the double standard? (BTW Muslims would certainly be in favor of polygamy, and some would be okay with lowering the age of consent, as would Mormons. So don't assume that no one in our society would want those kinds of marriages, they may be a small minority but so are gay people and look at what they are doing? A small minority can become aggressively militant and push their agenda onto others).
There is no double standard, You live in the USA and as such is predominantly xian not muslim. There is no reasonable argument against two consenting adults marrying. It is always theists that make these silly extrapolations that if SSM is allowed then what about...
They appear militant and in your face b/c they are fighting for their rights. In SA once they got what they petitioned for, no one nor any church was forced to marry them or even accept them. One can still be opposed to their sexual practices but that is the whole problem of the folk against SSM, the devolve the love between two adults to the mere act of sex. The arguments from folk like you that sex is for procreation only would mean the only reason straight folk marry is to have sex and make babies. Do you see how silly that argument is? SSM couples can provide homes for their own kids that are achieved through surrogacy or male donors so procreation arguments are moot.
I am always amazed at these long threads about nothing. Search the term "Christianphobe". It exist.
Whose hypocrisy? Who is they? Are you advocating a meme? Want a popular party topic? What? Those other terms I never hear either.
Seriously, this seems like a rant about nothing. LOL.
Not really. Marriage's definition from the beginning of marriage ALWAYS meant one man and one women. It's the minority's agenda to change the meaning. Doesn't make it right and it is the height of intolerance.
Really? What about all of that polygamy in your bible?
What about all of the cultures that have polygamy currently?
What about all of the cultures that have had same sex marriage?
Not really. Marriage's definition from the beginning of marriage ALWAYS meant one man and one women. It's the minority's agenda to change the meaning. Doesn't make it right and it is the height of intolerance.
You could not be more wrong. This is an incorrect as a person could possibly get in fact.
But, you've been told this before, yet continue to come here and spew baseless nonsense, similarly as you do on the subject of reproductive rights, where you persistently claim abortions are gov't-funded.
Really? What about all of that polygamy in your bible?
The first man to take more than one wife was the godless man Lamech (Genesis 4:19–24).
Some of the Old Testament patriarchs did practice polygamy, and it never honored God. For example, Abram married Hagar in addition to Sarai. The results of this polygamy are truly tragic, as is the case with other instances of adultery and polygamy in Scripture. Abram slept with Hagar and she bore him a son. God promised that Hagar’s son would become the father of a great nation because he was a son of Abram, though not the son of the promise (which would eventually be Isaac). God promised that Ishmael would be a “wild donkey of a man” and that he would be a warrior in hostility with his brothers who would descend from Abram. Ishmael was born to a Hebrew father and Egyptian mother and became the father of the Arab nations that to this day are in hostility with Jews and Christians alike, as promised.
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What about all of the cultures that have polygamy currently?
What cultures would these be and are they Godly?
The disaster of polygamy is illustrated by Lamech and Adah and Zillah in Genesis 4:19–24, Esau and Mahalath and other wives in Genesis 28:6–9, and Jacob and Leah and Rachel in Genesis 29:15–30. None of these occurrences was godly or good.
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What about all of the cultures that have had same sex marriage?
Which ones and have their culture flourished?
Marriage is ultimately a picture of Jesus’ loving relationship with the church (Ephesians 5:22–33; Revelation 19:6–9). Jesus is faithful to one bride, the church, as the pattern for all marriages.
You could not be more wrong. This is an incorrect as a person could possibly get in fact.
But, you've been told this before, yet continue to come here and spew baseless nonsense, similarly as you do on the subject of reproductive rights, where you persistently claim abortions are gov't-funded.
They do get some, wonder why they don't promote safe sex, they do receive money that's not suppose to go to abortions. Hey if no one is watching they can use the money for the procedure that brings them the most money.
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