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It also narrows your doctor's choice of doctors. The next time you go to your general practitioner, and he says you need to see a specialist, that list will be smaller too. You may find that the only oncologist he knows that could help you is four towns away, or his only one does not except your insurance provider. My daughter and son, and sister work at hospitals, this is coming from them, our lists of choices for specialists are shrinking.
Isnt this how you reduce health care costs at least in part by competiton. What you forget is that you are not paying for most of the ACA premium the person who purchases it is. They can pick from 4-8 providers. As an example Molina Health Care is entering into the ACA. If they set up a network or have you drive 75 miles to a clinic does it really matter if you knew that going in. You can still go down the street and pay $130 or you can drive and maybe have your one free trip to the doctor per Some people drive 50 miles or more to the Walmart to save a buck but we cant do this with healthcare??
That's a lie..they were not locked out of the room.
Obama was desperate for Republican votes and gave them a billion chances to shape the bill. They refused.
David Frum in his piece about Obamacare being the Republican's Waterloo made that quite clear.
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Yep. That is my recollection too. He was desparate for bipartisan support, but they did not want to give him a victory of any sort. Humiliating Obama, apparently, was more important than serving the people of this country.
Here is a link to that Frum Waterloo blogpost. It is uncanny how accurate he was/is about the rightwing media winning and even as their own party keeps losing.
You both need to work on your memory. Not only did they lock them out, at one point they even changed the locks on the doors. Even CSPAN called the Democrats out on it:
Republicans, all too familiar to being locked out by Democrats, aren't holding their breath—and Lamb's letter has yet to receive a reply. C-SPAN's open call for full transparency is a highly unusual move for a media organization that steadfastly refuses to take sides, demonstrating how far Democrats have gone in cloaking the healthcare bill with more secrecy than even the Washington Wizards locker room.
The Democratic chairman of the House committee responsible for government oversight has indefinitely locked Republican members out of the hearing room, following a dispute over a mortgage loan controversy.
Kurt Bardella, spokesman for ranking Republican Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said Chairman Edolphus Towns, D-N.Y., had the locks on the Republican entrance changed Tuesday.
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Narrowing the field to choose from is the exact opposite of competition. Nothing surprises me that comes out of the mouth of Obamabots anymore.B-B-But the article said, so it must be true. They'll say anything without thought. Truth is treason to these sheep.
Ideally, in a truly market-oriented exchange, participating insurers would have more freedom to offer the kinds of plans that consumers really want. Obamacare significantly restricts those choices, which is a big part of why costs overall will go up.
You obviously misunderstood what the OP was saying.
The exchanges are made up of plans that have a specific set of guide lines in them. You want a different type of plan, simply dont buy one of the plans within the exchanges.
Your Point/Argument here is not only full of holes, its down right non existent. You based the entire thing on a point that was irrelevant, The only way the second half of your comment would even make sense was if the exchange plans were the only ones possible, they arent( i feel that is needed to be said because this isnt the first time you posted this)
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You both need to work on your memory. Not only did they lock them out, at one point they even changed the locks on the doors. Even CSPAN called the Democrats out on it:
Republicans, all too familiar to being locked out by Democrats, aren't holding their breath—and Lamb's letter has yet to receive a reply. C-SPAN's open call for full transparency is a highly unusual move for a media organization that steadfastly refuses to take sides, demonstrating how far Democrats have gone in cloaking the healthcare bill with more secrecy than even the Washington Wizards locker room.
The Democratic chairman of the House committee responsible for government oversight has indefinitely locked Republican members out of the hearing room, following a dispute over a mortgage loan controversy.
Kurt Bardella, spokesman for ranking Republican Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said Chairman Edolphus Towns, D-N.Y., had the locks on the Republican entrance changed Tuesday.
Your first link says nothing About Republicans being locked out of the meeting on Healthcare, it is talking about C Span not being allowed in the meetings. The comment you took out of comment is simply referencing your Second link, which also isnt about Republicans being locked out of health care reform, it is about them being locked out of mortgage reform meeting.
1 of 2 things happened here.
1. You deliberately lied when crafting that post and thought no one would take the time to read them
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2. You quickly googled key words and posted the first thing that came up without reading it yourself.
I got a call today from a family member who said at their workplace , Obamacare will raise their cost of insurance - seems like it is affecting many people. It is blowing his budget..
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I didn't bother reading it. Forbes publishes a huge array of opinion bits.
To applaud or even voice the idea that narrowing your choices is good... Is to have a permanent and irreversible case of cognitive dissonance.
Your choice isnt narrowed, You and anyone else who wants to can still purchase what ever health plan they choose,they just wont be subsidized the same way.
Again, im not sure if you right wingers are purposefully spreading wrong information or if you genuinely thought the only plans you could buy under the new law were the ones in the exchanges.
Your first link says nothing About Republicans being locked out of the meeting on Healthcare, it is talking about C Span not being allowed in the meetings. The comment you took out of comment is simply referencing your Second link, which also isnt about Republicans being locked out of health care reform, it is about them being locked out of mortgage reform meeting.
1 of 2 things happened here.
1. You deliberately lied when crafting that post and thought no one would take the time to read them
OR
2. You quickly googled key words and posted the first thing that came up without reading it yourself.
Blame? I was talking about giving them some credit since most of the ideas came from their proposal in 1990, which was created as a response to Clinton's failed bill.
Of course no Republican voted this into Law, then or now.
Not sure why I'm posting the link again when you couldn't read it the first time.
im not sure either because it is obvious you did not read that link, so let me post from it in its context.
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If there is one institution in Washington whose integrity is unquestioned, it is C-SPAN. The network calls it straight down the middle by not calling it at all, and is treated with the same respect by Democrats, Republicans, and independents that it treats the Democrats, Republicans, and independents who call in every morning. From gavel-to-gavel coverage of the House of Representatives and the United States Senate, uninterrupted coverage of important congressional hearings and airing of various political press conferences and seminars, C-SPAN provides an important service to every American voter—bringing your government to you and providing the sunshine open government necessitates.
Unfortunately, the network can cover only those congressional meetings held in the public. Voters hoping to follow the process of the House and Senate working out the differences of their respective healthcare reform bills are left in the dark. C-SPAN will not be covering the House-Senate conference on the legislation because there will not be any such conference. As reported by the Associated Press, Congressional Quarterly, USA Today, the Washington Post, and, not insignificantly, Peter Roff with U.S. News & World Report, House and Senate Democrats will negotiate the legislation in private, far away from the prying eyes of Capitol Hill Republicans and far away from prying cameras.
Enter C-SPAN.
In a December 30 letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and House Minority Leader John Boehner, C-SPAN Chairman and CEO Brian Lamb formally requested that congressional leaders open up the healthcare negotiations to the media.
"President Obama, Senate and House leaders, many of your rank-and-file members, and the nation's editorial pages have all talked about the value of transparent discussions on reforming the nation's health care system," Lamb wrote. "Now that the process moves to the critical stage of reconciliation between the Chambers, we respectfully request that you allow the public full access, through television, to legislation that will affect the lives of every single American."
That Democrats want to work on the bill in secret is no surprise. Poll after poll has shown the legislation to be wildly unpopular with voters and we all saw what happened when everyday Americans had the opportunity to voice their opinion to their elected officials during the August recess—bedlam.
"No one knows what goes on behind closed doors," country singer Charlie Rich reminded us in his 1973 hit song.
So far, that's where things stand with the final negotiations of the healthcare legislation, just as it had for much of the issue's legislative journey. Even while Reid declared in November that transparency is "one of the guiding principles of health insurance reform," Democrats sought to work out the final details of the bill in secret and rush a new bill through before the American people know what hit them.
Republicans, all too familiar to being locked out by Democrats, aren't holding their breath—and Lamb's letter has yet to receive a reply. C-SPAN's open call for full transparency is a highly unusual move for a media organization that steadfastly refuses to take sides, demonstrating how far Democrats have gone in cloaking the healthcare bill with more secrecy than even the Washington Wizards locker room.
It also boxes the Democrats in—it will be awfully hard for any Democrat to accuse C-SPAN of being the research arm of the Republican Party.
so again, The entire article is about C Span not being able to telecast the meeting, The only mention of Republicans not being allowed in the room is during the DEMOCRATIC house and senate meetings.
Are you telling me you didnt know the parties held their own meetings where members of the other party werent allowed ?
You lied twice back to back and you cant even admit you are wrong. WOW.
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