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Old 10-04-2013, 08:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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If anything can be done with one office versus fifty offices, i say do it with one and save money.
That's one of the funniest posts I've seen all day!

The notion that the Fed could save money over ANY sensible program administered by anyone else, no matter how many people they threw at it, is a real hoot!

Where on earth do you get the idea that a program to serve 300 million people would require LESS than 50 offices? Or 500?

The idea that the Fed govt handling something, would SAVE money, is the crowning absurdity of the day.

And it doesn't even begin to address the eyes-crossed "inspiration" that a one-size-fits-all solution from a bunch of unaccountable bureaucrats thousands of miles from home, is somehow better than solutions tailored to each territory, weather pattern, and economic level.

Please, keep up the great work! Your posts are HILARIOUS!
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:02 AM
 
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I am wholly on board with this. Restore the balance of power that did and will serve this country well. Centralization leads to autocratic governance.
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Just one simple, little change is needed to fix "everything" . . . repeal the seventeenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and go back to the way it was before 1913. It will take a decade or so to shake out, but after that, the balance will be restored between the three branches of government.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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What states don't want is unfunded mandates from the federal government. You know, those programs where the federal government tells the states you have to do something and the federal government is not providing any or even partial funding. Remember, the Supremes in pronouncing the ACA constitutional, also effectively neutered the unfunded mandate medicaid expansion.

It is why the numerous states need their participation in our constitutional republic restored via the repeal of the 17th Amendment.

"A majority of the Court also found the ACA’s Medicaid expansion unconstitutionally coercive of states, while a different majority of the Court held that this issue was fully remedied by limiting the Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary’s enforcement authority. The ruling left the ACA’s Medicaid expansion intact in the law, but the practical effect of the Court’s decision makes the Medicaid expansion optional for states."

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You assume the states want the responsiblity of running fuctions.

the states dont want those resposiblities...they cost money.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:19 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I am wholly on board with this. Restore the balance of power that did and will serve this country well. Centralization leads to autocratic governance.
Unfortunately the leftists (in both parties) have screwed things up so badly, that it will take more than just this one change to even begin to set things right.

I personally favor a more direct, two-step approach:

1.) Repeal all tax withholding from paychecks. If your wages are listed as $30/hr to run a large medical team or whatever you do, then your paycheck at the end of the week says $1,200. Not $900 or $600 or whatever your take-home pay currently is. And you must write a check to the IRS every week (or month etc.) for the taxes you owe for that period. And another check to Social Security, and another to the next alphabet agency, etc. Every time. Automatic payments of these amounts, whether by the Fed withholding cash from your paycheck, or by your bank doing auto-payments from your account, is forbidden.

2.) Income Tax Day (the day when you must pay whatever remaining balance you owe for taxes, or get a refund for overpayments etc. for the entire year) is no longer on April 15. Rather, it is now the Monday in early November, the day before a major election in that month.

If we were to make those two changes, you can bet that things will get straightened out a lot faster than simply changing the source of Senate membership, necessary though that is too.

Sure, this would cause problems.

But it would also CURE far more problems than it causes - serious national problems that are destroying our country.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:20 AM
 
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You can not be serious?
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If anything can be done with one office versus fifty offices, i say do it with one and save money.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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Here's a question to answer your question: If the founding fathers saw how vast and complex our country and society in general has gotten, how different would the Constitution be if they wrote it today? (This is purely hypothetical of course)
It's a really good question. Surely the Founders couldn't possibly have imagined the technological wonders we have at our disposal today, much less if or how they should be regulated.
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Old 10-04-2013, 12:50 PM
 
Location: USA
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That's one of the funniest posts I've seen all day!

The notion that the Fed could save money over ANY sensible program administered by anyone else, no matter how many people they threw at it, is a real hoot!

Where on earth do you get the idea that a program to serve 300 million people would require LESS than 50 offices? Or 500?

The idea that the Fed govt handling something, would SAVE money, is the crowning absurdity of the day.

And it doesn't even begin to address the eyes-crossed "inspiration" that a one-size-fits-all solution from a bunch of unaccountable bureaucrats thousands of miles from home, is somehow better than solutions tailored to each territory, weather pattern, and economic level.

Please, keep up the great work! Your posts are HILARIOUS!


It was just a thought. And no, there are lots of programs that don't have to directly reach 300 million people, and thus they can probably get some of the work done in one office. And it may surprise you, but state governments are mostly "unaccountable bureaucrats" as well.

Your idea that the primary fix for bureaucratic mess is adding more bureaus is actually pretty hilarious. Obviously the issue is between the conservative principles of saving money and states' rights, and clearly this is an issue where both can't necessarily be had at the same time. Maybe you should think for yourself, because it sounds like you're just echoing right wing talking points without really considering their implications.
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