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When the left has no ammunition, they resort to dishonesty and bluster, as you have done in your post.
Allow Harrier to present seven facts which accurately explain what occurred.
FACT: The United States government consists of three equally powerful branches, and their powers are separate.
FACT: Within the legislative branch of the federal government, there are 2 equally powerful houses, one which is currently controlled by Republicans, and one which is currently controlled by Democrats.
FACT: The Democrats lost the 2010 midterm elections.
FACT: The GOP controlled house submitted a spending bill to the Senate.
FACT: The House spending bill funded all necessary parts of the government.
FACT: The Democrat controlled Senate rejected the spending bill, without which the federal government could not operate.
FACT: The Democrats shut down the government.
THE END.
As I have said, there is no use arguing with the idle.
Harrier seems to believe that a personal opinion equals fact, such as "The House spending bill funded all necessary parts of the government". Legalsea does not believe that Harrier is in the position to determine what 'parts' (I would think 'agencies' is a better word, or 'departments') are 'necessary'. No doubt, since disability checks are still being issued, some parties believe the only 'necessary' agency of the government is still operating.
Harrier also neglected to mention the fact that there was another election after 2010. Legalsea is puzzled by the omission. Legalsea shall inform Harrier of another fact: there are elections scheduled for 2014.
Legalsea shall inform Harrier of another fact: there are elections scheduled for 2014.
No need to inform Harrier - Harrier is a "political junkie" and is aware of all sorts of upcoming elections - federal, state, local, and organizational.
Harrier is looking forward to the Democrats losing the 2014 midterm election, too.
You can't simultaneously be the ones who started this whole thing by insisting on using the shutdown and debt ceiling as a threat for your unilateral demands AND then blame the other side as causing the shutdown. It makes NO SENSE. You can't blame the other side as the initiator of your threatening actions when you don't get what you wanted.
Put another way, you can't be the one to start a fight and start hitting someone and then scream at them "Stop it! You're causing these punches!" All while you continue to hit them. That makes absolutely no sense; that's the mentality of a lunatic. Just like when you cause a shutdown and then act all indignant and surprised that stuff is actually shut down.
So if it's YOU guys who started this crap and wanted to use the threat of a shutdown to gain something, then don't say that it's the other side who is causing the shutdown. IT'S YOU. There would never have been a shutdown if you had respected the rule of law and not started it to try to circumvent a law that was legitimately passed, rather than waiting to legitimately repeal it.
Apparently, conservatives think we all live in lunatic la la land where if they just whine loudly enough, the rest of humanity will somehow not employ basic common sense reasoning to recognize who really is to blame here.
(Oh, and the polls all show that Republicans are being primarily vilified for this whole debacle).
Why don't you start from the beginning?
The President was supposed to offer his budget the first week of February. He didn't offer it until April 10th, which was after both the House & Senate passed budget resolutions. The President didn't do his job, so Congress had to. (Note: This is the first time the Senate even passed one since 2009.)
Since then, the House passed 4 appropriation bills. However, the Senate only passed one, the THUD bill (Transportation, Housing & Urban Development), which exceeded spending caps set in 2011 and pretended the bipartisan sequester didn't happen. Thus, it was filibustered by Republicans.
If the President would have done his job, we wouldn't need a CR. However, when he didn't, the Senate refused to do theirs.
You can't simultaneously be the ones who started this whole thing by insisting on using the shutdown and debt ceiling as a threat for your unilateral demands AND then blame the other side as causing the shutdown. It makes NO SENSE. You can't blame the other side as the initiator of your threatening actions when you don't get what you wanted.
Put another way, you can't be the one to start a fight and start hitting someone and then scream at them "Stop it! You're causing these punches!" All while you continue to hit them. That makes absolutely no sense; that's the mentality of a lunatic. Just like when you cause a shutdown and then act all indignant and surprised that stuff is actually shut down.
So if it's YOU guys who started this crap and wanted to use the threat of a shutdown to gain something, then don't say that it's the other side who is causing the shutdown. IT'S YOU. There would never have been a shutdown if you had respected the rule of law and not started it to try to circumvent a law that was legitimately passed, rather than waiting to legitimately repeal it.
Apparently, conservatives think we all live in lunatic la la land where if they just whine loudly enough, the rest of humanity will somehow not employ basic common sense reasoning to recognize who really is to blame here.
(Oh, and the polls all show that Republicans are being primarily vilified for this whole debacle).
The Conservatives are being quite, likely due to fear of the loud wing nuts. Once those are thru with the tantrums, Conservatives will regain control of their Party and the Conservatives in the population will help in the resurrection of the GOP ... however, it may take a few decades.
Need to inform Harrier - Harrier is a "political junkie" and, as usual, is usually wrong.
Let go back in time for a second and have a look-see at the political/junkie's other predictions shall we...
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Mitt Romney will win the election the day he announces his running mate. Does anyone seriously want this clown, Joe Biden, to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?
To answer your question, apparently so Harrier
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President Obama's problem is that he is so far to the left - he doesn't understand what it means to move to the middle. Fortunately for the republic - his inability to do so will likely cost him the election.
Say hello to President Romney - come January 20, 2013.
Apparently not Harrier
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Witness the last four years under President Obama.
Obama's negativity is the reason that Mitt Romney will win 0n 11/6/12.
Wrong again Harrier
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No need to inform Harrier - Harrier is a "political junkie" and is aware of all sorts of upcoming elections - federal, state, local, and organizational.
Harrier is looking forward to the Democrats losing the 2014 midterm election, too.
Hmmm DoniDanko thinks Harrier the junkie should check himself into rehab ASAP!
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The Conservatives are being quite, likely due to fear of the loud wing nuts. Once those are thru with the tantrums, Conservatives will regain control of their Party and the Conservatives in the population will help in the resurrection of the GOP ... however, it may take a few decades.
FYI: The Conservative population aka rural White males are on the decline. Unless the GOP find a way to resurrect white men, it ain't looking so good.
FYI: The Conservative population aka rural White males are on the decline. Going to take a lot more than a resurrection for the GOP to win.
The GOP will expand it's following by including others and allowing old useless dogma to fade away. They have no choice but to do that, if they want to survive politically and the Country needs to have an actual Conservative Party survive.
The GOP will expand it's following by including others and allowing old useless dogma to fade away. They have no choice but to do that, if they want to survive politically and the Country needs to have an actual Conservative Party survive.
I would love for that to happen so that I could vote for the GOP, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon. The current GOP and most people who vote for Republicans talk and act just like the "loud wing nuts" you referred too. We need a fiscally conservative, less government, low taxes, etc Republican in office, but they no longer exist. All that's left are a party that likes to exclude and insult the majority of the country, spends just as much as the Dems, only cuts taxes for the rich, and wants to expand government for social issues just as much as the Dems do. I really hope that they can get their act together just enough to not give away the House, Senate, and Presidency.... Lord knows that will be horrible...
You can't simultaneously be the ones who started this whole thing by insisting on using the shutdown and debt ceiling as a threat for your unilateral demands AND then blame the other side as causing the shutdown. It makes NO SENSE. You can't blame the other side as the initiator of your threatening actions when you don't get what you wanted.
Here's a little truth for you:
The House of Representatives is the only body with the power to raise revenue, according to Article I Section 7 (Origination clause) of the Constitution. "All Bills for raising revenue must originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments, as on other bills.
There is no requirement that the House of Representatives fund, carte blanche, the Presidents spending proposals. As the body most responsible to the people, this "power of the purse" was vested in the House, and all spending was to be open to debate.
With no budget having been passed, we have been relying on CR's to fund the government; but the House still has the power to decide what will be contained in any CR.
The original CR that was sent to the Senate, contained no funding for the ACA. The House was under no obligation to provide such funding. It doesn't matter that the ACA "is the Law of the Land" as some in Congress keep pointing out, adnauseam. The American people did not want "ObamaCare" in the first place, and the more "we find out what's in it," (thank you, Nancy Pelosi) the less people want it.
The House, being responsive to the people, took that funding out of the CR. The Senate, in violation of the Origination Clause, presumed to add funding for "ObamaCare," back into the House Bill. They are without Constitutional authority to do this, though they may add or subtract from spending for items already funded in any CR (as it is my understanding of the meaning of the Origination Clause). They are not free to add any new spending. That must originate in the House, and is open to debate.
Therefore, the problem we have, began with the Senate Democrats, not (as you claim) with the Republicans.
Since then, the House Republicans havesent multiple spending bills to the Senate to keep government running. The Senate refuses to take action on any of them, and Harry Reid has even blocked a bill to fund cancer research!
Budget differences are traditionally solved in a Conference; but Harry Reid refuses to meet in any such Conference.
Clearly, it is the Senate that is the cause of the problem. Their attitude is "Our way or no way."
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Put another way, you can't be the one to start a fight and start hitting someone and then scream at them "Stop it! You're causing these punches!" All while you continue to hit them. That makes absolutely no sense; that's the mentality of a lunatic. Just like when you cause a shutdown and then act all indignant and surprised that stuff is actually shut down.
What makes no sense, is this silly diatribe.
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Originally Posted by ambient
So if it's YOU guys who started this crap and wanted to use the threat of a shutdown to gain something, then don't say that it's the other side who is causing the shutdown. IT'S YOU. There would never have been a shutdown if you had respected the rule of law and not started it to try to circumvent a law that was legitimately passed, rather than waiting to legitimately repeal it.
Shutdown (and very little has acutally been shut down) is the result of the Senates refusal to pass the CR in the first place, and the refusal to take any action on numerous spending bills that have been sent to it.
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Originally Posted by ambient
Apparently, conservatives think we all live in lunatic la la land where if they just whine loudly enough, the rest of humanity will somehow not employ basic common sense reasoning to recognize who really is to blame here.
(Oh, and the polls all show that Republicans are being primarily vilified for this whole debacle).
What polls are you looking at? That isn't what I see.
The House submitted a spending bill to the Senate and the Senate, which is controlled by Democrats, rejected the bill.
That rejection triggered the shutdown.
The Democrats shut down the government.
It is really quite simple.
That was succinct! And exactly right (see my more complete explanation below).
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