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Old 10-07-2013, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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If you live outside the USA what are your thoughts on The Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare if you wish?
Please include where you are from and I'm looking for those on both sides of the conversation.
Heh .. I've got a couple of Australian friends that think we're a bunch of retards ..
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:00 PM
 
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If you live outside the USA what are your thoughts on The Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare if you wish?
Please include where you are from and I'm looking for those on both sides of the conversation.

As a Canadian I have no dog in the hunt, and no desire to study the in's and outs of a system that your politicans said needed to be approved to find out what was in it and then promptly voted to exempt themselves from it's requirements.

My OPINION would be to study the thing carefully.
Identify the parts that are there to serve and benefit the people.
Isolate those parts that are there to appease corporate interests and determine how to deal with those, vis-a-vis, a lobbyist bought and paid for congress.
Compare costs with a view to enacting controls of a limited scope to level the playing field between providers offering the SAME services.
REMOVE the stupid and inane two party bickering that serves no useful purpose when something as important as the welfare of the population as a whole is concerned and start the fine tuning process to get rid of the warts and keep or even improve the benefits.

You've taken a step forward would be my opinion, now improve on it by removing the political crap that keeps getting in the way of any meaningful changes.

You wanted an OPINION and that's my .02 cents worth.

Now I'll ask you a question: does my opinion as an unprejudicial neighbour carry any value as compared to the two parties currently arguing over the thing ("we're going to win this one")as a political football only, while not being forced to be part of it or even affected by it themselves and who have demonstrated time and time again they don't give a rat's azz about the people they represent?
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Heh .. I've got a couple of Australian friends that think we're a bunch of retards ..
And I think they're right....
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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As a Canadian I have no dog in the hunt, and no desire to study the in's and outs of a system that your politicans said needed to be approved to find out what was in it and then promptly voted to exempt themselves from it's requirements.

My OPINION would be to study the thing carefully.
Identify the parts that are there to serve and benefit the people.
Isolate those parts that are there to appease corporate interests and determine how to deal with those, vis-a-vis, a lobbyist bought and paid for congress.
Compare costs with a view to enacting controls of a limited scope to level the playing field between providers offering the SAME services.
REMOVE the stupid and inane two party bickering that serves no useful purpose when something as important as the welfare of the population as a whole is concerned and start the fine tuning process to get rid of the warts and keep or even improve the benefits.

You've taken a step forward would be my opinion, now improve on it by removing the political crap that keeps getting in the way of any meaningful changes.

You wanted an OPINION and that's my .02 cents worth.

Now I'll ask you a question: does my opinion as an unprejudicial neighbour carry any value as compared to the two parties currently arguing over the thing ("we're going to win this one")as a political football only, while not being forced to be part of it or even affected by it themselves and who have demonstrated time and time again they don't give a rat's azz about the people they represent?
I would take your opinion over any asshat in the Tea Party caucus. Come to think of it, Ted Cruz is one of yours. You were smart enough to get rid of him, more points for you.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Who gives one sheet what the "world" thinks??
cecilsav, apparently.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I am certain that none of the developed countries in the world and few of the third world countries would opt for a system as dumb as ours where healthcare is tied to your employment and the government brokers for private firms that skim obscene profits from the system at the expense of rate payers. Only in America!
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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If you live outside the USA what are your thoughts on The Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare if you wish?
I've always been shocked at what Americans pay for their healthcare insurance, and the hoops they had to jump through. I hope this improves matters for you, but I'm sorry Obama couldn't go all the way and eliminate the hold private insurers have on Americans altogether.

Where I'm from is up there in the top right corner of this post.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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And I think they're right....
I just roll my eyes and smile .. What can I say? .. You can't really argue the point when you know they're right
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I've always been shocked at what Americans pay for their healthcare insurance, and the hoops they had to jump through. I hope this improves matters for you, but I'm sorry Obama couldn't go all the way and eliminate the hold private insurers have on Americans altogether.

Where I'm from is up there in the top right corner of this post.
Well, many have been told and believe that the "socialized" system like in Canada is just terrible. People are waiting in lines for healthcare, dying because they couldn't get services....blah blah blah.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Well, many have been told and believe that the "socialized" system like in Canada is just terrible. People are waiting in lines for healthcare, dying because they couldn't get services....blah blah blah.
And all the statistics in the world showing we get comparable or superior results don't matter. The opposition is ideological, not practical.
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