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Old 10-14-2013, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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I still support single-payer, but I'll be darned; the ACA is working.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/op...general&src=me

'What you may not know is that the Affordable Care Act is also beginning, with little fanfare, to accomplish its second great goal: to promote reforms to our overpriced, underperforming health care system. Irony of ironies, the people who ought to be most vigorously applauding this success story are Republicans, because it is being done not by government decree but almost entirely with market incentives.
Using mainly the marketplace clout of Medicare and some seed money, the new law has spurred innovation and efficiency. And while those new insurance exchanges that are now lurching into business will touch roughly 1 in 10 Americans (the rest of us are already covered by private employer plans or by government programs like Medicare), these systemic reforms potentially touch every patient, every taxpayer. '
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:22 PM
 
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The Heritage Provider Network, a huge accountable care organization in California, offers Medicare patients free dance lessons, healthy cooking classes and casino excursions that feature “brain power” activities on the bus. The Greater Buffalo United Accountable Healthcare Network, a new, seven-doctor practice in upstate New York, is building a gym and a teaching kitchen for its patients, who are mostly inner-city minorities.



All that for free? Or did the other residents of these states have their insurance go up 39% like mine did?
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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If creating another layer of beuracracy to suck money out of the private sector is the goal, then yes, mission accomplished.
Unfortunately said money does not go towards actual health care.
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:34 PM
 
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The Heritage Provider Network, a huge accountable care organization in California, offers Medicare patients free dance lessons, healthy cooking classes and casino excursions that feature “brain power” activities on the bus. The Greater Buffalo United Accountable Healthcare Network, a new, seven-doctor practice in upstate New York, is building a gym and a teaching kitchen for its patients, who are mostly inner-city minorities.



All that for free? Or did the other residents of these states have their insurance go up 39% like mine did?
Nice. People will go to casinos paid for by their ACO. Wonder when Trump will get in on the deal, lol.
BTW who will pay for gambler's anonymous classes?

I agree on thinking outside the box regarding ACOs; cooking classes are fine; making sure they have working ACs for people with respiratory conditions etc , but a casino trip?
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:39 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default Same old spin

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I still support single-payer, but I'll be darned; the ACA is working.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/op...general&src=me

'What you may not know is that the Affordable Care Act is also beginning, with little fanfare, to accomplish its second great goal: to promote reforms to our overpriced, underperforming health care system. Irony of ironies, the people who ought to be most vigorously applauding this success story are Republicans, because it is being done not by government decree but almost entirely with market incentives.
Using mainly the marketplace clout of Medicare and some seed money, the new law has spurred innovation and efficiency. And while those new insurance exchanges that are now lurching into business will touch roughly 1 in 10 Americans (the rest of us are already covered by private employer plans or by government programs like Medicare), these systemic reforms potentially touch every patient, every taxpayer. '
That link is to the New York Times, and an Opinion piece, where the writer claims the problems are due to overwhelming demand!!!

Sorry, that isn't the case.

Health Care Policy and Marketplace Review: How Many People Have Signed Up For Health Insurance on the Federal Health Insurance Exchanges?
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:46 PM
 
Location: California
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Most of that isn't "obamacare" driven.
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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When the un- and underemployed healthy young people don't sign up in the anticipated volumes, this whole thing will go to hell in a hand basket.
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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I definitely think the "demand" is less 'Ohmygosh the exchanges are wonderful I must sign up' and more 'FINALLY after all this time of very little to no information I can see what's up with this thing'.

At least that's how it is for me.
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Old 10-14-2013, 01:45 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I definitely think the "demand" is less 'Ohmygosh the exchanges are wonderful I must sign up' and more 'FINALLY after all this time of very little to no information I can see what's up with this thing'.
Actually, a lot of it is 'Oh wow. Obama didn't say this is going to cost so much that I can't afford it. This is insane.'
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Adam Weldzius, a nurse practitioner, considers himself better informed than most when it comes to the inner workings of health insurance. But even he wasn't prepared for the pocketbook hit he'll face next year under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of $233 will more than double. If he wants to keep his monthly payments in check, the Carpentersville resident is looking at an annual deductible for himself and his 7-year-old daughter of $12,700, a more than threefold increase from $3,500 today.
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Affordable Care Act: High deductibles could pinch consumers - Chicago Tribune
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Old 10-14-2013, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I still support single-payer, but I'll be darned; the ACA is working.
LOL

The policies that people have been trying to buy won't even go into effect until Jan 1. It's a bit soon to declare success. Hell, the web site isn't even working!

Let's see how things are going in about a year - you know, about a month before the mid-terms.
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