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You didn't read the article if you claim that there weren't any stats. You are claiming there aren't any stats, because you know you can't refute any of them and the easiest way is just to avoid the stats, it goes against your team...
I'm claiming there weren't any stats because there weren't, just an opinion piece.
Neither of those sources were in the article AND those sources contradict your claim. The largest deficits were under Reagan and Bush 2. The GOP controlled the senate until 1987. Under Bush the GOP controlled the Senate until 2007 - at which point control was split - and controlled the house until 2007.
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Do the math. When Democrats control both houses of congress they add debt at 4 times the rate of when Republicans control both houses. Democrats can't outside one side of their mouth claim that Republicans want "draconian" cuts and then outside of the other mouth claim that they are reckless spenders.
Well they can though. Both parties spend, but the Republicans pay for it with deficit spending and Democrats raise taxes.
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Fact is...we are arguing about the wrong thing. Both political parties have put us here. We have allowed them to put us here by reelecting them, based on a team mentality. Congress has been dysfunctional for generations. Obama broke so many campaign promises and lied so much he should have been challenged by his party. Same with Bush.
The public is to fault for reelecting these bozos to the WH and congress.
Eh, I think Bush was more honest. I can't think of a single thing he flip flopped on.
Pretty far off. War is a relatively small component of federal spending. The Iraq War was about 3% of spending while it lasted for 8 years. Afghanistan was even less. The tax cuts were rate cuts. Total tax revenue did not go down during the Bush years. The 2008 crash did result in a slight downturn in revenue, temporarily.
Liberal icon Bob Woodward ID'ed the primary problem: spending addiction.
It is not limited to one individual or one party. The GOP had the trifecta from 2000-2006 and went on a spending binge. Only to be outdone by Obama, Pelosi, and Reid after 2008.
I don't think that either party or any President (past or present) doesn't want to "do the right thing" for the people that elected them. No President in his right mind would not want to be known as the "President that fixed the Government". Each party has a specific ideology about what Government should do and they often clash about that - but I think they all discover that it's not really 'them' that is in control. The Lobby often get's the blame, the Unions get blame, Right and Left get blame and the Bankers and Wall Street get blame ..... some of all them own a piece of the "blame". They real culprit is the Beast that is the Government and that is controlled by the 2.3 Million strong work force that is mostly Unionized. The "Government" can't even pass a Congressional Mandated Audit - nobody really knows how much money is being spent, how it's spent or how the programs and agencies operate. Significant Financial Management and Fiscal Challenges Reflected in U.S. Government's 2012 Financial Report - Released January 2013
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WASHINGTON (January 17, 2013) - The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) cannot render an opinion on the 2012 consolidated financial statements of the federal government because of widespread material internal control weaknesses, significant uncertainties, and other limitations.
As was the case in 2011, the main obstacles to a GAO opinion on the accrual- based consolidated financial statements were:
• Serious financial management problems at the Department of Defense (DOD) that made its financial statements unauditable.
• The federal government’s inability to adequately account for and reconcile intragovernmental activity and balances between federal agencies.
• The federal government’s ineffective process for preparing the consolidated financial statements.
“Although we’ve seen significant improvements in federal financial management and accountability over the years, our report on the U.S. government’s consolidated financial statements underscores that further progress is urgently needed,†said Gene L. Dodaro, Comptroller General of the United States and head of the GAO. Dodaro noted that the need for reliable financial and performance information is especially critical today, both for federal managers, who likely face increasingly tight budgets and need to operate as efficiently and effectively as possible, and for policymakers dealing with the federal government’s broader fiscal challenges.
While the vast majority of the 24 CFO Act Agencies received unqualified opinions, DOD and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have consistently been unable to receive such audit opinions. Efforts are under way at both agencies to address this situation.
HHS managed to improve a bit in 2012 and at least turn over expense reports, but Defense & Homeland Security couldn't even do that. IF they don't know where the money is going (and they don't) then how are they going to cut the waste? Added to that - we are expecting Government workers to tell the Government how to cut their own jobs ..... that's just not going to happen. There is no reward for cutting waste except a pink slip.
They can't figure out how to starve the Beast - so they just keep feeding it and hope it doesn't Eat them. There are very few that recognize this and try to expose it -Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma has worked for years with his Congressional Research Reports (prepared by the Library of Congress), Inspector General Reports and Government Accountability Reports (GOA) to try and get Congress to address these issues ..... neither the Republicans or the Democrats have any interest in opening up the Can of Worms. We are amending and amending again laws from early in the last Century and trying to make them applicable to today, we are funding known failed programs because we don't know how to stop them. We have Millions of dollars sitting in bank accounts all over the country that haven't been used in decades and we pay more Millions of dollars in Bank Fees to keep them open and unused. The Beast is Huge and constantly demands to be fed. 2.3 Million Direct Government employees and at least another Million or so that are contractors.
You missed both parties and the public.... Conservatives like to spend on short term debt and liberals love to strangle their children and grand children with insurmountable entitlement debt.. It's is impossible for us to ever pay off our current debt. Other countries are starting to move from the dollar. If that ever happens America will make the African village life look like a luxury vacation spot.
I don't think moonbats understand how bad the debt is and it's impact. I really don't. The ONLY thing saving us from total collapse is the fact we are the world currency. Take that away and welfare cards not working will be the least of your problems.
We do understand the debt, which is why you won't find Liberals saying 'oh it won't be so bad if we default'. Whereas even GOP Congresspeople who should know better are saying that very thing.
You can't blame Democrats or Republicans in general because the President can veto the bills for the crap they shove into them until they get the message.
I said other because the answer is All Of The Above.
The leaders of Both Parties sitting down and making some hard choices such as reviewing all expendatures and gutting out all wasteful spending, reforming welfare so that those that need it get it and those that do not or are abusing the system are kicked off, reforming the tax syetem, stop sending Billions to other Nations, taxing all goods that come into the Nation from American companies using cheap labor elsewhere as if those goods were not American made so as to bring American jobs back to America, outlaw Lobbies all Lobbies, they are subverting the will of the People..........
I doubt they are doing anything other than playing Political power games, sad to say.
If it reaches a certain point it could become critical and the economy would fail and the Nation will die as we know it.
The most accurate and honest answer so far. And I do concur.
You can't blame Democrats or Republicans in general because the President can veto the bills for the crap they shove into them until they get the message.
We will not default. There is enough tax coming in to pay interest on bills. The entire default fear monogering is a result of the Village Idiot and his media group. The village idiot can stop this by simply negotiating by his arrogance will take the nation to its knees.
This poll doesn't seem to address the entire premise of debt being valued and that it is used to increase revenues.
The amts go up and down dependent on the bubble blowing.
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