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What didn't you understand?...please don't feign lack of comprehension. It's a very literal statement. If you don't agree with it and don't have an argument...just say that.
What didn't you understand?...please don't feign lack of comprehension. It's a very literal statement. If you don't agree with it and don't have an argument...just say that.
It was mostly just an expression of how loony-tune nutty your post was.
Repeatedly calling and texting a co-worker to threaten to kill him, threaten his family with physical violence, express your desire to do things to him like defecate in his mouth, refer to him over and over again as a fa**ot and a ni**er, etc, is criminal harassment. It's immoral and vile conduct.
I can't believe that you think it's some sort of acceptable aggression, and that not allowing it is wrong and serves to pussify America and "appease the comfort of the state" (whatever that nonsense phrase means).
It was mostly just an expression of how loony-tune nutty your post was.
Repeatedly calling and texting a co-worker to threaten to kill him, threaten his family with physical violence, express your desire to do things to him like defecate in his mouth, refer to him over and over again as a fa**ot and a ni**er, etc, is criminal harassment. It's immoral and vile conduct.
I can't believe that you think it's some sort of acceptable aggression, and that not allowing it is wrong and serves to pussify America and "appease the comfort of the state" (whatever that nonsense phrase means).
To believe that is insane.
This is a 300 pound MAN that plays a testosterone driven, aggressive sport where he gets piled on, punched in the face, stepped on, choked, and generally mauled....for a living.
This is a 300 pound MAN that plays a testosterone driven, aggressive sport where he gets piled on, punched in the face, stepped on, choked, and generally mauled....for a living.
But yet cant deal with words....
Maybe life isn't cut out for him.
Why does that fact that he's a large, athletic, physically tough man mean he should put up with criminal harassment, death threats, threats against his family, and subject himself to a hostile work environment?
Do you really think that Mr. Incognito's "aggression" -- as you call it -- is acceptable? Just curious, if one of your co-workers while at work was calling you ni**er and fa**ot (you being black and him being white) and saying things like he was going to hold you down and defecate in your mouth, and then started calling you at home outside of work to say the same things as well as threaten to assault your family and to kill you, how would you respond?
The only thing I think Martin did wrong in this situation is that he didn't call the police and have Mr. Incognito arrested and prosecuted. Hopefully he will.
Nowadays it's the conservatives who becoming wussys. All these threads complaining about Obama's drone strikes and his NSA spying. In my Grandpa's day he'd be an American hero for defending our country like that. But the conservatives say he's a "tyrant" for attacking the people who attacked us. Pu**ification in full effect.
So....I don't understand...
Are you liberal in the sense you want Americans, as a whole, to do.as they please at the expense of whole nations? If so, then you CERTAINLY must be OK with a few trivial US citizens getting their rights marginalized for the greater portion of society.
Why does that fact that he's a large, athletic, physically tough man mean he should put up with criminal harassment, death threats, threats against his family, and subject himself to a hostile work environment?
Do you really think that Mr. Incognito's "aggression" -- as you call it -- is acceptable? Just curious, if one of your co-workers while at work was calling you ni**er and fa**ot (you being black and him being white) and saying things like he was going to hold you down and defecate in your mouth, and then started calling you at home outside of work to say the same things as well as threaten to assault your family and to kill you, how would you respond?
The only thing I think Martin did wrong in this situation is that he didn't call the police and have Mr. Incognito arrested and prosecuted. Hopefully he will.
I don't have an issue with Martins.reaction. He should have stuffed Incignitos head through a locker. Or....leave the sport.
The real issue I have is how the MSM and society is now taking an childhood social.issue, that should be addressed on playgrounds, and applying to a professional sport where FULLY GROWN MEN get paid millions on top of millions to play a kids game.
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This is a 300 pound MAN that plays a testosterone driven, aggressive sport where he gets piled on, punched in the face, stepped on, choked, and generally mauled....for a living.
But yet cant deal with words....
Maybe life isn't cut out for him.
This argument is fallacious because it depends on a red herring and a straw man. While it is true that 300-pound offensive linemen play an aggressive sport and get piled on, stepped on, and mauled as part of the game and thus their job, show me an example of a recent NFL game where they get "punched in the face" or "choked" without the offender incurring a severe penalty or being ejected from the game. There are rules governing unsportsmanlike conduct on the field for a reason.
Aside from that, what does Martin's profession and the physical demands it entails necessarily have to do with handling threats and illegal behavior? Are you suggesting that all those who are physically capable of doing so should deal with such things extra-legally? What kind of civil society would that create?
I'm not seeing how any of this has to do with politics: evidence is making it more and more clear that Incognito behaved in a very poor manner that is arguably criminal, and at best unsportsmanlike to a huge degree, and such behavior seems to be a continuing pattern with him. He is responsible for that, regardless of how those on the receiving end acted or did not act. So what if Martin could have pounded Incognito? The point is that Incognito should not have behaved as he did in the first place, making Martin's response or lack thereof irrelevant.
This argument is fallacious because it depends on a red herring and a straw man. While it is true that 300-pound offensive linemen play an aggressive sport and get piled on, stepped on, and mauled as part of the game and thus their job, show me an example of a recent NFL game where they get "punched in the face" or "choked" without the offender incurring a severe penalty or being ejected from the game. There are rules governing unsportsmanlike conduct on the field for a reason.
Have you ever played offensive line? Been on the bottom of a pile up? So, speaking of fallacious arguments..you just made one out of ignorance.
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Aside from that, what does Martin's profession and the physical demands it entails necessarily have to do with handling threats and illegal behavior? Are you suggesting that all those who are physically capable of doing so should deal with such things extra-legally? What kind of civil society would that create?
A human society? The point I am making is that this is clearly something he has dealt with if he has played football at any point prior to the pros. And everybody has their threshold and maybe Martin found out that the NFL isn't his cup ofvtea.
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'm not seeing how any of this has to do with politics: evidence is making it more and more clear that Incognito behaved in a very poor manner that is arguably criminal, and at best unsportsmanlike to a huge degree, and such behavior seems to be a continuing pattern with him. He is responsible for that, regardless of how those on the receiving end acted or did not act. So what if Martin could have pounded Incognito? The point is that Incognito should not have behaved as he did in the first place, making Martin's response or lack thereof irrelevant.
It has a lot to do with politics...whenever the MSM sinks there teeth into a social issue...the politicians begin to seek rent. The logistics are irrelevant.
This is a 300 pound MAN that plays a testosterone driven, aggressive sport where he gets piled on, punched in the face, stepped on, choked, and generally mauled....for a living.
But yet cant deal with words....
Maybe life isn't cut out for him.
Hold up...that's ridiculous.
Can't deal with words? He's relatively new to the pro ranks and he's being pushed around by a guy that isn't just another big guy using abusive words but a guy who also carries the additional gravitas of being on the Dolphins Leadership Committee AND a so called seasoned veteran. In other words, Martin should safely assume that Incognito has the backing of teammates AND the brass. That puts Martin in a tough spot...how is he supposed to know whom to turn to?
To boot, not every person is cut the same as you well know. Some people people just aren't cut out for confrontation and don't know how to deal with being pushed around. You think everybody that plays football is a tough guy just because it's a tough sport?
Of course, what really burns my ass is how people are seemingly trying to cover for Incognito without doing so explicitly by only pointing out how soft the Martin guy is. That's bull. This is a case of a thug harassing and bullying a weaker and more fragile man, and just because a man is fragile doesn't mean he should be the target for a-holes that have nothing better to do.
And the hypocrisy is astounding. Imagine a KNOWN BLACK THUG in the NFL bullying and belittling a white player...extorting him for money and leaving him blatantly racist messages threatening him and his family. No way in hell would this conversation have taken the turn that it has where we blame the victim for being weak. There'd be overwhelming sentiment slanted in favor of one hell of a suspension if not outright expulsion from the league.
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