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I think it is funny that you oppose black and white, and yet your argument is exactly black and white... Separating those who oppose your view... It is not as simple as you think...
It has nothing to do with "oppose your view". I'm talking about hypocrites, pure and simple. You can not claim to be a champion of the law and then willfully break or ignore it when it doesn't suit you. That is very definition of hypocrisy.
I think it is a normal part of "the human condition".
the next time you drive or walk through your town, pay close attention to the people and the vehicles.
How many "jaywalkers" do you see? (Crossing the street other than in a crosswalk is illegal almost everywhere!)
How many vehicles do you see that don't come to a complete stop at a stop sign?
How many vehicles actually STOP before making a "right turn on red" at a controlled intersection?
How many times do you see the light turn red before a vehicle clears the intersection?
How many times do you see somebody talking on a cell phone while driving, even though it is illegal?
How often do you see people make a turn without any kind of signal?
But, then we have things like the current PSAs against "distracted driving", that tell us that "Distracted driving is anything that takes your eyes off the road ahead, or your hand(s) off the steering wheel!"
SO, it is apparently illegal to look at the rear view mirror, or the speedometer. It is illegal to adjust the radio volume. Or the heater controls. Of course, the greatest distraction for drivers in the world MUST be illegal: KIDS in the BACK SEAT!
There is a very good reason so many don't pay attention to "the rule of law"! That rule is so often ridiculous!
Does it also make it illegal for law enforcement officers to use their in-car computer to run your license plate, then take the information from the plate and run your driver's license... How many times did they take their eyes off the road for that?
As a former LEO I think the driving distracted thing is misdirected. My time was before gps, and in-car computers. I drove pretty freaking distracted, writing down the address to my destination while reading a map of a subdivision to find the street, usually at a pretty high rate of speed. Never hit a thing.
As to the OP's question. There is no black and white in law, there is no natural law, there will always be exceptions to the rule. Which is why due process must be followed whenever someone violates the written rule.
Does it also make it illegal for law enforcement officers to use their in-car computer to run your license plate, then take the information from the plate and run your driver's license... How many times did they take their eyes off the road for that?
As a former LEO I think the driving distracted thing is misdirected. My time was before gps, and in-car computers. I drove pretty freaking distracted, writing down the address to my destination while reading a map of a subdivision to find the street, usually at a pretty high rate of speed. Never hit a thing.
As to the OP's question. There is no black and white in law, there is no natural law, there will always be exceptions to the rule. Which is why due process must be followed whenever someone violates the written rule.
I'm not sure what you're getting at, as I tend to agree with you. My problem is with people who willfully break the law out of convenience or sometime spite. I'm also not talking about fairly trivial stuff like talking on a hand held phone or j-walking. I'm more concerned by serious stuff, like high level tax evasion, fraud, or in some cases crimes as bad a drug trafficking or murder. Think of some one like Ollie North and some of his ilk. They committed serious crimes and not just in the name of "patriotism" either. Yet these same people proclaimed themselves to be the ultimate defenders of the American way.
I'm not sure what you're getting at, as I tend to agree with you. My problem is with people who willfully break the law out of convenience or sometime spite. I'm also not talking about fairly trivial stuff like talking on a hand held phone or j-walking. I'm more concerned by serious stuff, like high level tax evasion, fraud, or in some cases crimes as bad a drug trafficking or murder. Think of some one like Ollie North and some of his ilk. They committed serious crimes and not just in the name of "patriotism" either. Yet these same people proclaimed themselves to be the ultimate defenders of the American way.
What I am getting at is that the more rules (laws) written, the more people you have violating them, including the "good guys".
We are all human, I think it's becoming almost impossible to stay within the lines of all these laws being enacted by our government. Have you ever sat down and read a state statute book, cover to cover, to read all those rules? It's enlightening, I highly recommend it.
Does it also make it illegal for law enforcement officers to use their in-car computer to run your license plate, then take the information from the plate and run your driver's license... How many times did they take their eyes off the road for that?
As a former LEO I think the driving distracted thing is misdirected. My time was before gps, and in-car computers. I drove pretty freaking distracted, writing down the address to my destination while reading a map of a subdivision to find the street, usually at a pretty high rate of speed. Never hit a thing.
As to the OP's question. There is no black and white in law, there is no natural law, there will always be exceptions to the rule. Which is why due process must be followed whenever someone violates the written rule.
This has always bothered me. I'm not allowed to do certain things when driving but a police officer has special magical powers that he won't be distracted doing more? Why should an officer be able to write me a ticket for something he does all the time? Shouldn't he be held to the same standard as me?
The largest cause of death for a cop is car accident. I wonder how many civilians are killed by distracted driving police officers. Doubt the government has ever bothered to find out.
The law exist for many reason to keep people safe, not have their rights intruded on and other protections. It can also be self serving to certain groups, bias and subjugate people.
Especially when line between laws and morals become bedfellows and things go crazy from there.
This has always bothered me. I'm not allowed to do certain things when driving but a police officer has special magical powers that he won't be distracted doing more? Why should an officer be able to write me a ticket for something he does all the time? Shouldn't he be held to the same standard as me?
There are a few weak arguments for allowing police officers to use cell phones while driving but when the law was passed against driving and talking on your cell phone here, excluding police officers did not go over very well. Many argued that if it's unsafe, it's unsafe, period.
The police force are going to hands free phones but yeah, don't tell me it's unsafe for me but not you.
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Originally Posted by Velvet Jones
It has nothing to do with "oppose your view". I'm talking about hypocrites, pure and simple. You can not claim to be a champion of the law and then willfully break or ignore it when it doesn't suit you. That is very definition of hypocrisy.
While we all are probably law-breakers (and thus hypocrites) to some extent... You've got to ask the larger question?
Which is worse? Me, not putting MY seatbelt on (and endangering MY live) or someone driving drunk and endangering YOURS?
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