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I believe they both went into things with certain ideas then were thwarted by the system we have created in this country. The POTUS isn't all powerful, there are so many other players in this "game" that it's hard to point the finger at anyone, or any side or any letter (d) or (r)...but man does it make us personally feel better to try. It's all rigged, learn that or remain stupid.
Ceece, you've defended Obama big time especially during the election. Are you now running? I remember one cd member who defended him by saying she would willingly do every oriface Obama had. Don't you remember that LOL
I don't get it. Obama has blatantly lied to the American people with this insurance thing. On top of that he has broken a number of election year promises about transparency. He has played ignorant to tons of abuses of power in his administration. He hasn't closed Guantanamo. He hasn't delivered on the robust recovery that campaigned on. He is still using drones to blow up people in Pakistan and other third world hellholes.
I get it that he is, in theory, ideologically in line with you but practically the man is just another Washington plutocrat playing the game to save himself.
I have never defended the presidency of George W Bush because I believe that he is the antithesis of what a GOP member should be. Further Bush campaigned on nonintervention and broke that promise and a host of other things. I do not, nor will not defend his presidency and I'm a lifelong republican.
So I ask you...why defend this man when he has so clearly governed in a manner inconsistent with his campaign promises?
This is the thing, where President Obama is wrong, I think Liberals and Democrats are either silent or they are actively criticizing him. The NSA stuff, the horrible roll out of the website, the idiotic negotiations over the debt ceiling while trying to reach a "grand bargain" that cut either Social Security, Medicare or both are all areas where I see liberals critical of the President.
First with the NSA thing though conservatives have no credibility as it was conservatives who championed and passed nearly all of these expanded powers to fight the war on terror that they were so gun ho to fight.
But the other things that conservatives complain about are fake and irrelevant. So Democrats and Liberals defend President Obama to the extent that they think he is being unfairly attacked over insane conservative conspiracies.
I don't get it. Obama has blatantly lied to the American people with this insurance thing. On top of that he has broken a number of election year promises about transparency. He has played ignorant to tons of abuses of power in his administration. He hasn't closed Guantanamo. He hasn't delivered on the robust recovery that campaigned on. He is still using drones to blow up people in Pakistan and other third world hellholes.
I get it that he is, in theory, ideologically in line with you but practically the man is just another Washington plutocrat playing the game to save himself.
I have never defended the presidency of George W Bush because I believe that he is the antithesis of what a GOP member should be. Further Bush campaigned on nonintervention and broke that promise and a host of other things. I do not, nor will not defend his presidency and I'm a lifelong republican.
So I ask you...why defend this man when he has so clearly governed in a manner inconsistent with his campaign promises?
... a tiny little dose of honesty is in store.
Almost no one comes to this forum for information or to add to their grasp of politics. If you were honest with yourselves, you'd admit that you just come here to fight. You toss out all manner of insults, untruths, and disinformation regarding the president on a daily basis. To a degree, it's understandable that you're still hurting after Obama buried your boys in two landslide elections.
But please don't expect your little screeds to go unchallenged.
It's funny you should mention the no new taxes mantra when that president lost his reelection because of it. How many lies was Obama caught in prior to the 2012 election, and yet still won reelection? Of course, it helps to have a friendly press to cover for the president when it comes to lies.
Fox was Obama friendly, wasn't they?
yes he did
and do you know why?
it's cause the GOP ain't got nobody, and in 2016, they'll still have nobody, they'll be the loneliest political party ever, this will be their new song.
what is the irony? if anyone defends Mr. Obama on this thread, wouldn't you same the same of that post?
Come on...how hard was it to figure that one out?
Obama in practice is effectively the anti-Obama of his campaigns yet you people support his whims and lies blindly because he is "on your side." He isn't transparent, he lies, and he plays dumb...what is respectable about him?
I'm a republican and I don't, nor didn't ever defend the presidency of bush beyond 2003. I dislike the majority of the republicans that would be the presumptive nominees with exception to a few. I don't support "my team" blindly and I expect others not to either. So, following that...I simply don't understand how someone that professes to support what Obama campaigned on...could ever support Obama in practice.
You're still dodging this post I wrote you. Until you address this you have no valid argument.
Please link your post.
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Don't you remember that LOL
To the haters...
