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I am not a 'bot but I don't think he lied. LIE, to me, is a deliberate attempt to mislead through dishonesty. What happened here is different than that and I don't think deceit is at work. Political "lying" is a whole different animal.
No matter who is making political promises, there are just too many moving parts for any one person to be completely accountable for every statement made. I take EVERY SINGLE ONE with a boulder of salt. In fact, I interpret each one to be something along the lines of "If I had my way and no one could stop me, and assuming nothing changes between this moment in time and the time when what I am talking about comes to pass, this is how I'd make it happen...."
So in that context I really hesitate to call what happened here a lie. Covering up something after the fact in order to cover one's inappropriate action is lying. Making a political promise one is later unable to keep? Not lying. Wishful thinking. Naivete. Not lying.
Nice try. The problem is, Obama was repeating the lie after he knew the truth. He's not a stupid man. Dozens of gov't. documents discussed the millions who'd lose their existing insurance. Cripes, I knew that people whose policies didn't meet Obamacare standards or changed their provisions were gone.
I am not a 'bot but I don't think he lied. LIE, to me, is a deliberate attempt to mislead through dishonesty. What happened here is different than that and I don't think deceit is at work. Political "lying" is a whole different animal.
No matter who is making political promises, there are just too many moving parts for any one person to be completely accountable for every statement made. I take EVERY SINGLE ONE with a boulder of salt. In fact, I interpret each one to be something along the lines of "If I had my way and no one could stop me, and assuming nothing changes between this moment in time and the time when what I am talking about comes to pass, this is how I'd make it happen...."
So in that context I really hesitate to call what happened here a lie. Covering up something after the fact in order to cover one's inappropriate action is lying. Making a political promise one is later unable to keep? Not lying. Wishful thinking. Naivete. Not lying.
You are a bot, a useful O-bot. You were lied to deliberately, we were all lied to, over, and over and over again by our president. His own staff questioned whether Obama should be speaking those lies, and Obama overruled them, and went on lying, because it was working.
Obama said we could keep our plans and doctors and see our premiums drop, not just a few times, Obama made those promises dozens of times, "period."
It’s not easy to get a lie into a presidential speech. Every draft address is circulated to the White House senior staff and key Cabinet officials in something called the “staffing process.” Every line is reviewed by dozens of senior officials, who offer comments and factual corrections. During this process, it turns out, some of Obama’s policy advisers objected to the “you can keep your plan” pledge, pointing out that it was untrue. But it stayed in the speech. That does not happen by accident. It requires a willful intent to deceive.
It's a lie if you know that "campaign promise" is untrue, cannot be kept, and is direct opposition to the law. He ****ing lied, knowingly, deliberately, and repeatedly.
So when it's political, deliberately attempting to mislead through dishonesty is NOT a lie? I will NEVER understand the liberal mind.
Of course you "hesitate" -can't be criticizing your dear leader, now can you?
No, what I said was that when it's political, it's not deliberately attempting to mislead through dishonesty. Anyone who takes what politicians say as promises they can deliver on no matter what deserves what they get. This is a basic lesson of watching campaigns that every halfway intelligent citizen should understand. It's ludicrous to hold these kinds of impossible-to-deliver-upon promises over politician's heads.
No question, Obama handled this badly as he has so many other things. Sometimes I really wonder what he's thinking. But he does NOT govern in a vacuum and can't control every nuance of every bill. He absolutely should have hedged the language all along. He gets no points from me for the way this was handled.
No, what I said was that when it's political, it's not deliberately attempting to mislead through dishonesty. Anyone who takes what politicians say as promises they can deliver on no matter what deserves what they get. This is a basic lesson of watching campaigns that every halfway intelligent citizen should understand. It's ludicrous to hold these kinds of impossible-to-deliver-upon promises over politician's heads.
No question, Obama handled this badly as he has so many other things. Sometimes I really wonder what he's thinking. But he does NOT govern in a vacuum and can't control every nuance of every bill. He absolutely should have hedged the language all along. He gets no points from me for the way this was handled.
Stop calling it a campaign promise. He repeated the lie After the bill passed and had to know he was lying.
whether people who liked their insurance could keep it, the essential minimum standards, the grandfather clause, weren't obscure elements buried among the couple-thousand pages. Millions losing their coverage was written about by government agencies and impartial experts. He lied. Period.
No, what I said was that when it's political, it's not deliberately attempting to mislead through dishonesty. Anyone who takes what politicians say as promises they can deliver on no matter what deserves what they get. This is a basic lesson of watching campaigns that every halfway intelligent citizen should understand. It's ludicrous to hold these kinds of impossible-to-deliver-upon promises over politician's heads.
No question, Obama handled this badly as he has so many other things. Sometimes I really wonder what he's thinking. But he does NOT govern in a vacuum and can't control every nuance of every bill. He absolutely should have hedged the language all along. He gets no points from me for the way this was handled.
He deliberately misled, he deliberately made statements that were untrue. He knew that they were untrue. That on my world is called a lie.
If I sell you a car and I say. It was never in an accident. The engine is great and don't worry about the breaks they are fine. If the thing turns out to have an R title, the engine burns oil as fast as you can put it in and the breaks are metal on metal I lied. It doesn't matter if I am a politician or a car salesman. A lie is a lie.
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