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Old 11-08-2013, 07:48 AM
 
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The basic difference between a private company and a government entity is that the private company must fill a need from the public with both quality and value to survive in a competitive environment.

Government on the other hand "creates" problems and needs to justify its existence.
Then the individuals within government personally profit by graft and corruption by manipulating laws and regulations to benefit the wealthy who in turn, pay off the criminal politicians.

Liberals are religious fanatics who worship at the altar of government, either because they personally benefit from the graft and corruption, or they are so stupid they really believe the lies that government will give them something for nothing.
Speaking of religious fanatics, you talk about governments the way evangelicals talk about Satan. And Lo, we lived in peace and blissful innocence until Gooberment slithered down from the tree, its fork-ed tongue tempting us with the apple of knowledge.

It's not good versus evil, or black versus white. The pursuit of profit and the pursuit of political power both allow for plenty of negative results. Only the most myopic radicals refuse to acknowledge that there are some problems that cannot be solved by the free market. Smith never went that far.

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Old 11-08-2013, 08:01 AM
 
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Uhhhh... How do you have a big-government, socialism loving libertarian? Explain it to me.

I believe in individual freedoms, the right to choose, the right to love whom you want, the right to bear arms, the whole group of 10 you believe in. But I also know as the population has gotten so enormous that at some point we have to ensure those freedoms with laws and regulations. That's how you can be. Both. It's easy, simply a personality type.


How about you think for yourself, instead of someone's truly silly "test". The test is meaningless and arbitrary, meant to confuse, not enlighten.
I have been a very free thinker since I was a child....so much so my parents were told I wasn't catholic school material, I questioned too much. The test was just a silly little test, but surprising and interesting and fun. It wasn't meant to confuse, it was meant to lock in your personal politics to more than simply right and left, since our beliefs are much more complex. If I find the test I'll send a link.
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:13 AM
 
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The basic difference between a private company and a government entity is that the private company must fill a need from the public with both quality and value to survive in a competitive environment.

Government on the other hand "creates" problems and needs to justify its existence.
Then the individuals within government personally profit by graft and corruption by manipulating laws and regulations to benefit the wealthy who in turn, pay off the criminal politicians.

Liberals are religious fanatics who worship at the altar of government, either because they personally benefit from the graft and corruption, or they are so stupid they really believe the lies that government will give them something for nothing.
Liberals are not religious fanatics....nor do we worship government. We find it useful in keeping mega corporations from taking average people down. Until citizens united got passed by the right wing demigods it worked. Now corporate money has tilted the scale on a major scale towards the monopolies. They have purchased the government and are fully in charge. You on the right opened pandora's box and we are all suffering for it and it's only going to get worse. Your first paragraph is correct.....as it relates to small to medium business, the industries of big oil, big agribusiness, big pharma, and big arms contractors run this country. This was what liberals have been trying to stop. The rest of your post was blaming the wrong party, but Rush, Hannity and Beck keep you confused.
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Isn't Bill Maher a self-proclaimed libertarian?
No, he's a pre-pubescent moron whose goal is to have the low-information voters excited by his schtick.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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No, he's a pre-pubescent moron whose goal is to have the low-information voters excited by his schtick.
Low information voters. That must be the new right wing phrase of the week. Every week to 10 days there are new words and phrases repeated and repeated and repeated. Every politician on the right uses them on every talk show and after every meeting. The talk show hosts, fox new reporters all parrot the same word and phrase. It's a funny thing. I stopped counting the word Benghazi after hearing it over 200 times in two days of being sick and watching too much tv! I cannot imagine how many times it's been used. Kenyan and birth certificate was huge. I guess low information voter is the newest. I've been hearing that one now for about three weeks. Do actual talking points get distributed on some right wing web site to ya'll?
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:03 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Liberals are not religious fanatics....nor do we worship government. We find it useful in keeping mega corporations from taking average people down. Until citizens united got passed by the right wing demigods it worked. Now corporate money has tilted the scale on a major scale towards the monopolies. They have purchased the government and are fully in charge. You on the right opened pandora's box and we are all suffering for it and it's only going to get worse. Your first paragraph is correct.....as it relates to small to medium business, the industries of big oil, big agribusiness, big pharma, and big arms contractors run this country. This was what liberals have been trying to stop. The rest of your post was blaming the wrong party, but Rush, Hannity and Beck keep you confused.
Liberals are religious fanatics.

A fanatic by definition is one who believes without evidence or even in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence.

That is exactly the case of liberals who believe government is the cure for corporate abuse of workers and citizens in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary. Every day we are confronted with the proof of that in the headlines in which a miniscule fraction of the criminals are caught for their criminal acts.
Government always has been a tool for the rich to control the masses.
It has never been on the people’s side, it has always been on the side of those who would rule over the people.

From the very beginnings of this country there were those who wanted to replace the tyranny of the King with their own tyranny.
The undeniable fact of life is that people have evil tendencies, and government gives them the power to act on those tendencies.
Any time one human has power over another, there will be abuse of that power, thus the libertarian belief of those who govern least, govern best.

The belief that government is populated by benevolent benefactors of the American people is as much of a fantasy as the belief in Santa, or the Easter Bunny.
A mafia boss once stated that the mafia was small time criminals compared to the government, that is where the real professional criminals ply their trade.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Liberals are not religious fanatics....nor do we worship government. We find it useful in keeping mega corporations from taking average people down. Until citizens united got passed by the right wing demigods it worked. Now corporate money has tilted the scale on a major scale towards the monopolies. They have purchased the government and are fully in charge. You on the right opened pandora's box and we are all suffering for it and it's only going to get worse. Your first paragraph is correct.....as it relates to small to medium business, the industries of big oil, big agribusiness, big pharma, and big arms contractors run this country. This was what liberals have been trying to stop. The rest of your post was blaming the wrong party, but Rush, Hannity and Beck keep you confused.
The Dems are just as much in bed with corporations as the Repubs these days.
GE, Monsanto, any of the big banks.

Look at the laws passed recently. All in favor of business and individuals on the hook to pay for it.
Even with Obamacare the only mandate the Dems stood fast on were the individual penalties.
They caved and exempted/waivered every business tax/penalty.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Isn't Bill Maher a self-proclaimed libertarian?
He's been a Libertarian, a Progressive and a "9-11 Liberal".

Now you tell me how one can be swayed that extreme and still be taken seriously.
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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Liberals are religious fanatics.

A fanatic by definition is one who believes without evidence or even in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence.
Based on a right winger opinion. As long as we are protecting the wealthy all is good with the country. No regulation regardless of how evil they are.
That is exactly the case of liberals who believe government is the cure for corporate abuse of workers and citizens in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary. Again, your opinion.

Every day we are confronted with the proof of that in the headlines in which a miniscule fraction of the criminals are caught for their criminal acts.
As well as those that are innocent but become criminals due to poverty or race.

Government always has been a tool for the rich to control the masses.

That is true.
It has never been on the people’s side, it has always been on the side of those who would rule over the people.
I believe America was born different, and we strive to remain better. It will always be a fight, but we have a strong constitution. I don't know that the monied interests haven't gotten so strong as to break it, though.

From the very beginnings of this country there were those who wanted to replace the tyranny of the King with their own tyranny.
The undeniable fact of life is that people have evil tendencies, and government gives them the power to act on those tendencies.
That's why we must get money out of government.

Any time one human has power over another, there will be abuse of that power, thus the libertarian belief of those who govern least, govern best.

There are too many bad, evil people or idiots running around the country to allow everyone to do their own thing. Ie libertarians. Just watch the news every freaking day.

The belief that government is populated by benevolent benefactors of the American people is as much of a fantasy as the belief in Santa, or the Easter Bunny..
No one with a brain believes that

A mafia boss once stated that the mafia was small time criminals compared to the government, that is where the real professional criminals ply their trade.
agreed.
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:59 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jimhcom View Post
Liberals are religious fanatics.

A fanatic by definition is one who believes without evidence or even in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence.
Based on a right winger opinion. As long as we are protecting the wealthy all is good with the country. No regulation regardless of how evil they are.
That is exactly the case of liberals who believe government is the cure for corporate abuse of workers and citizens in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary. Again, your opinion.

Every day we are confronted with the proof of that in the headlines in which a miniscule fraction of the criminals are caught for their criminal acts.
As well as those that are innocent but become criminals due to poverty or race.

Government always has been a tool for the rich to control the masses.

That is true.
It has never been on the people’s side, it has always been on the side of those who would rule over the people.
I believe America was born different, and we strive to remain better. It will always be a fight, but we have a strong constitution. I don't know that the monied interests haven't gotten so strong as to break it, though.

From the very beginnings of this country there were those who wanted to replace the tyranny of the King with their own tyranny.
The undeniable fact of life is that people have evil tendencies, and government gives them the power to act on those tendencies.

That's why we must get money out of government.

Any time one human has power over another, there will be abuse of that power, thus the libertarian belief of those who govern least, govern best.

There are too many bad, evil people or idiots running around the country to allow everyone to do their own thing. Ie libertarians. Just watch the news every freaking day.

The belief that government is populated by benevolent benefactors of the American people is as much of a fantasy as the belief in Santa, or the Easter Bunny..

No one with a brain believes that

A mafia boss once stated that the mafia was small time criminals compared to the government, that is where the real professional criminals ply their trade.
agreed.
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