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Old 11-16-2013, 05:38 AM
 
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TOTAL AMERICANS EMPLOYEED JAN 2001..................137,778,000
TOTAL AMERICANS EMPLOYEED IN FEB 2008.............145,993,000
Americans Employed, January 2009:........................ 142,187,000


SO TOTAL NET JOBS CREATED/LOST UNDER BUSH.........4.4 MILLION GAIN (GAIN WAS HIGHER BEFORE THE RECESSION)




Americans Employed, January 2009:........................ 142,187,000
Americans Employed, today:.................................. 142,101,000

SO TOTAL NET JOBS CREATED/LOST UNDER OBAMA..... 86 THOUSAND LOSS


obama has not done his job
But But But look at the unemployment numbers that deliberately exclude unemployed people whose unemployment benefits have run out...that number has fallen as people's benefits have ran out = Obama success!!!

If you point out that during the "recovery" the following has happened:

1) decreasing employment rate for 25 to 54 year olds
2) increasing poverty
3) increasing food stamps
4) increasing QE money creation
5) decreasing ratio of full time jobs (you know the ones with benefits)
6) decreasing median household income

I will simply respond with one word "Bush" and trump it all...so don't even go there. Obama is my favorite celebrity so leave him alone.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:26 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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TOTAL AMERICANS EMPLOYEED JAN 2001..................137,778,000
TOTAL AMERICANS EMPLOYEED IN FEB 2008.............145,993,000
Americans Employed, January 2009:........................ 142,187,000


SO TOTAL NET JOBS CREATED/LOST UNDER BUSH.........4.4 MILLION GAIN (GAIN WAS HIGHER BEFORE THE RECESSION)




Americans Employed, January 2009:........................ 142,187,000
Americans Employed, today:.................................. 142,101,000

SO TOTAL NET JOBS CREATED/LOST UNDER OBAMA..... 86 THOUSAND LOSS


obama has not done his job
A brief history lesson ....

Bureau of Labor and Statistics - Employment Situation News Release - October 2009

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The unemployment rate rose from 9.8 to 10.2 percent in October, and nonfarm payroll employment continued to decline (-190,000), the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. The largest job losses over the month were in con- struction, manufacturing, and retail trade. Household Survey Data In October, the number of unemployed persons increased by 558,000 to 15.7 million. The unemployment rate rose by 0.4 percentage point to 10.2 percent, the highest rate since April 1983. Since the start of the recession in December 2007, the number of unemployed persons has risen by 8.2 million, and the unemployment rate has grown by 5.3 percentage points. (See table A-1.)
All those job losses up until October 2009 (and beyond) were due to the Bush Economic Disaster of 2008!

Obama managed to drop Bush's 10.2% all the way down to 7.2%

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Old 11-16-2013, 08:35 AM
 
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A brief history lesson ....

Bureau of Labor and Statistics - Employment Situation News Release - October 2009

All those job losses up until October 2009 were due to the Bush Economic Disaster of 2008!

Obama managed to drop Bush's 10.2% all the way down to 7.2%
I don't buy into the whole D and R nonsense. Also one has to look at what policies lead to what results, regardless of who is in office at the time effects show up.

From around 2000 on manufacturing left at an accelerated pace -33%. And technology is still skewing the manufacturing numbers. This was due to the proceeding actions taken in 90's to allow the financial and market changes. Both D's and R's were responsible.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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We will likely break through both of these barriers soon ... maybe even today!

We've come a long way since March 2009 when the Dow fell to 6,623 and the Nasdaq fell to 1,293.

Today we are opening at:

Dow Jones 15,876.22
Nasdaq 3,972.74

Futures are up:

Dow, S&P close at new highs; Exxon Mobil leads Dow | Reuters
And the rich keep getting richer, the middle class and the poor, poorer. Jobs are still hard to come by, must be Bush's fault.
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:47 AM
 
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so when the dow hit its previous record in 2007 of 14k...the economy was soooooo good
Was the Fed pumping $85 billion a month into the market in 2007?
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Old 11-16-2013, 10:50 AM
 
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Was the Fed pumping $85 billion a month into the market in 2007?
The Fed isn't pumping in that money to the market. The Fed is doing $85B/mo balance sheet shenanigans to lower interest rates which is generally favorable to the markets.

What Billionaire Ray Dalio Gets Wrong About Money - Businessweek

Bloomberg: Quantitative easing isn
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Old 11-16-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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The Fed isn't pumping in that money to the market. The Fed is doing $85B/mo balance sheet shenanigans to lower interest rates which is generally favorable to the markets.

What Billionaire Ray Dalio Gets Wrong About Money - Businessweek

Bloomberg: Quantitative easing isn
One can debate QE effects, but there is evidence that the FED is propping up markets.

JPM got outed on this when they screwed up on the London Whale deal.
A Record $2 Trillion In Deposits Over Loans - The Fed's Indirect Market Propping Pathway Exposed

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But perhaps the biggest driver of the surge in deposits is the Fed's own ongoing liquidity tsunami, which using various traditional and shadow conduits has injected nearly the entire $2 trillion amount into the banking system (as Excess Reserves, Reverse Repos, Deposits with Federal Reserve Banks, and Other Fed Liabilities which combined conveniently amount to just about $1.8 trillion), which then via reflexive shadow pathways, most notably repo, has translated into an actual excess of cash to the bank's balance sheet: perfectly fungible cash which can then be used for any generic purpose: such as prop trading under the guise of "hedging" as JPM so vividly demonstrated a few months back.


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Old 11-16-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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Long way indeed. Everyone with a 401K, or other investments should be very happy. I know I am. Housing is recovering nicely too.


Watch the Fed pull it's $85 Billion per month and it all comes crashing down.

The Stock Market has long ago stopped bring an indicator of the economy.
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Old 11-16-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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Maybe you should pull your face off pages of dailykos and use common sense.

51 million Americans have 401K accounts, and millions of others have other kinds of investments, and all of them benefit. They are the main street, and they are happy about the performance of their investments.
then why do liberals want to raise the capital gains tax so badly? if all of them benefit, then all of them would suffer if the capital gains tax went up.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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One can debate QE effects, but there is evidence that the FED is propping up markets.

JPM got outed on this when they screwed up on the London Whale deal.
A Record $2 Trillion In Deposits Over Loans - The Fed's Indirect Market Propping Pathway Exposed

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But perhaps the biggest driver of the surge in deposits is the Fed's own ongoing liquidity tsunami, which using various traditional and shadow conduits has injected nearly the entire $2 trillion amount into the banking system (as Excess Reserves, Reverse Repos, Deposits with Federal Reserve Banks, and Other Fed Liabilities which combined conveniently amount to just about $1.8 trillion), which then via reflexive shadow pathways, most notably repo, has translated into an actual excess of cash to the bank's balance sheet: perfectly fungible cash which can then be used for any generic purpose: such as prop trading under the guise of "hedging" as JPM so vividly demonstrated a few months back.
I agree that the Fed is propping up the markets as it tends to do anytime it lowers interest rates.
I agree that there is a huge surge in bank deposits. The Fed is essentially paying banks not to loan. But the Fed did not simply create and then transfer that money to its member banks. The Fed traded for like amounts of investment paper. So by dollar amount it all nets to zero. And the vast bulk of that private bank money is just sitting there and not being loaned out. There simply is not the national demand yet. QE just doesn't do much.

81.5% of Money Created through Quantitative Easing Is Sitting There Gathering Dust ... Instead of Helping the Economy Washington's Blog
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