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Define "bear arms"
As it is defined by the constitution.
Carry, support, endure, turn or proceed.
Would you like me to define keep too...?
To have or retain possession of
to continue or cause to continue in a specified condition, position, course, etc.
Provide sustenance of
To Honor or fulfill
To make written entries in
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Originally Posted by BentBow
Why did it take 160 years after the US Constitution was ratified, to redefine "bear arms" and "shall not infringe."
Who is redefining it, certainly not me. However if you think the 2nd recognizes your right to use firearms, it may be you.
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Originally Posted by BentBow
Why was it not defined like that for 160 years, prior?
It was, in the 2nd Amendment.
However I do think you're barking up the wrong tree, I'm just pointing out that the use of arms is not protected by the second, it would be protected for use in self defense, or rights to hunt. What is protected is ownership of arms (i.e. all the combination of parts needed to have a functioning arm, so weapons and any needed ammunition, power supplies, etc. etc.)
Probably the reason that this was overlooked is that any tyrannical government who planned on subjugating a population would assume that people shooting their agents was probably a crime anyway, certainly in the eyes of those trying to subjugate, and it's far easier to outlaw the ownership of arms, than it is to expect people to not shoot someone attempting to kill them or deprive them of their liberties (i.e. kidnap, invasion of property, or depriving them of it, etc.).
Seems whenever firearms are discussed some have to call firearm enthusiasts names such as gunnuts, gunfondelers, etc. Then there is the obligatory penis comments.
So are these people considered gunnuts, gunfondlers and penis whatever?
What's more, NO ONE in the country in her day, not even the still-young NRA, thought that every man, woman and child should be armed to the teeth so that when someone pops a screw, they could rush off to the local mall to slaughter people because "it's about freeeeeeedum!"
Prove it. Oh that's right you can't, it's just another BS made up "fact" spewed by another ignorant liberal.
Nah, the day I worry about what ignorant gun fondlers think of me will be a cold day in hell.
I guess that might matter to "ignorant gun fondlers" somewhere, unfortunately the average everyday legal gun owners here on CD already know that you're the extremely ignorant one with completely irrational fears of things you don't understand... such as firearms and self defense.
Seems whenever firearms are discussed some have to call firearm enthusiasts names such as gunnuts, gunfondelers, etc. Then there is the obligatory penis comments.
So are these people considered gunnuts, gunfondlers and penis whatever?
The woman learned to shoot in order to feed her family. She later used her skills to earn a comfortable living. She never, ever considered guns toys to be collected by the dozen and bragged about to other keyboard cowboys.
What's more, NO ONE in the country in her day, not even the still-young NRA, thought that every man, woman and child should be armed to the teeth so that when someone pops a screw, they could rush off to the local mall to slaughter people because "it's about freeeeeeedum!"
You know nothing about Annie Oakley. Do your research, then get back to us.
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
Taking the words of someone almost 200 years ago to defend your opinion. Annie Oakley is the voice of reason on gun control 2013, very desperate.
Ummm.....Annie Oakley - August 13, 1860 – November 3, 1926. I may not be the best at math but I don't think that was 200 years ago.
I think you missed the purpose of the thread. (Annie Oakley has nothing to do with gun control....well....other than she was a really good shot.)
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Originally Posted by hogfamily
Seems whenever firearms are discussed some have to call firearm enthusiasts names such as gunnuts, gunfondelers, etc. Then there is the obligatory penis comments.
So are these people considered gunnuts, gunfondlers and penis whatever?
Ummm.....Annie Oakley - August 13, 1860 – November 3, 1926. I may not be the best at math but I don't think that was 200 years ago.
I think you missed the purpose of the thread. (Annie Oakley has nothing to do with gun control....well....other than she was a really good shot.)
Quite a different place back in the 1800's and women were second citizens, I think her statements have more to do with women's rights than anyting else
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