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When did I proclaim to be conservative? I am independent. I agree with many conservative values, that much is true, but I am very far from the Rant & Rave mainstream Republican faction which you represent.
Being dropped from your insurance and not having enough money to pay for treatment until you can find a new policy will do this.
So will being uninsured by any policy (45 million).
How many people would have had policies canceled anyway?
In 2009, 40,000 people per week were being canceled by insurance companies, but Republicans did not care then as it could not be used for any political gain, as it can currently.
There have also been a number of lawsuits over these junk policies, as people discovered they were not covered when they became sick and needed them.
Ok..found this in the article.."report released by the WH"
I dug up the report.
Done by the WH, using medicare figures, CBO estimates and theory.
Of course spending would go down because medicare got huge cuts.
They did mention that the recession itself may have played a factor as people cut back and many lost jobs and let their insurance lapse.
In summary though they do state that they do not know the cause of the decline specifically but attribute a lot to Obamacare.
The report is full of words like "estimate", "projections", "theory", "the evidence suggests"...
and is full of CBO and medicare charts.
And, one thing the MSM didn't report..the report says this will "substantially raise our living standards"
My own personal conclusion: A nice propaganda piece put out at exactly the right time to garnish public support.
It's truly not an objective report with data and facts of reality vs CBO projections/estimates and results of medicare cuts.
Health care spending growth is the lowest on record. According to the most recent projections, real per capita health care spending has grown at an estimated average annual rate of just 1.3 percent over the three years since 2010. This is the lowest rate on record for any three-year period and less than one-third the long-term historical average stretching back to 1965.
[Health care price inflation is at its lowest rate in 50 years. Recent years have also seen exceptionally slow growth in the growth of prices in the health care sector, in addition to total spending. Measured using personal consumption expenditure price indices, health care inflation is currently running at just 1 percent on a year-over-year basis, the lowest level since January 1962. (Health care inflation measured using the medical CPI is at levels not seen since September 1972.)
Recent slow growth in health care spending has substantially improved the long-term Federal budget outlook. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has reduced its projections of future Medicare and Medicaid spending in 2020 by $147 billion (0.6 percent of GDP) since August 2010. This represents about a 10 percent reduction in projected spending on these programs. These revisions primarily reflect the recent slow growth in health care spending.
While the causes of the slowdown are not yet fully understood, the evidence available to date supports several conclusions about the slowdown and the role of the ACA: The slowdown in health care cost growth is more than just an artifact of the 2007-2009 recession: something has changed. The fact that the health cost slowdown has persisted so long even as the economy is recovering, the fact that it is reflected in health care prices – not just utilization or coverage, and the fact that it has also shown up in Medicare – which is more insulated from economic trends, all imply that the current slowdown is the result of more than just the recession and its aftermath. Rather, the slowdown appears to reflect "structural" changes in the United States health care system, a conclusion consistent with a substantial body of recent research.
The ACA is contributing to the recent slow growth in health care prices and spending and is improving quality of care.ACA provisions that reduce Medicare overpayments to private insurers and medical providers are contributing to the recent slow growth in health care prices and spending. In addition, ACA reforms that aim to improve the quality of care are reducing hospital readmission rates and increasing provider participation in payment models designed to promote high-quality, integrated care.
New economic research shows that the ACA’s Medicare reforms are likely to reduce health care spending and improve quality system-wide. Recent research implies that reforms to Medicare will have "spillover effects" that reduce costs and improve quality system-wide. In economic terms, this suggests that efforts to reform Medicare’s payment system are "public goods."
Accounting for "spillovers" implies that the ACA’s effect on health care price inflation may be much larger than previously understood. The direct effect of ACA provisions that reduce Medicare overpayments to private insurers and medical providers has been to reduce health care price inflation by an estimated 0.2 percent per year since 2010. Accounting for the "spillover effects" discussed above raises this estimate to 0.5 percent per year, which represents a substantial fraction of the recent slowdown.
Slow growth in health care costs, thanks in part to the ACA, is likely to have substantial benefits for the Nation’s economy in both the short-run and the long-run:In the short run, slower growth in health spending is a positive for employment. The slow growth in health care costs has reduced employers’ benefit costs, increasing firms’ incentives to hire additional workers. Available estimates suggest these gains could be substantial, although the magnitude is uncertain.
Over the long run, slower growth in health spending translates directly into higher wages and living standards. If half the recent slowdown in spending can be sustained, health care spending a decade from now will be about $1,400 per person lower than if growth returned to its 2000-2007 trend, a benefit that workers will realize in the form of higher wages and that federal and state governments will realize as lower costs.
CBO estimates that the ACA will substantially reduce long-term deficits. In large part because of the ACA’s role in slowing the growth of health care spending, CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce deficits by about $100 billion over the coming decade and by an average of 0.5 percent of GDP ($83 billion per year in today’s economy) over the following decade. These deficit savings are likely to grow over time and are separate from the revisions in CBO’s Medicare and Medicaid spending projections that were discussed on the last page (which are not directly attributable to the ACA).
So will being uninsured by any policy (45 million).
How many people would have had policies canceled anyway?
In 2009, 40,000 people per week were being canceled by insurance companies, but Republicans did not care then as it could not be used for any political gain, as it can currently.
There have also been a number of lawsuits over these junk policies, as people discovered they were not covered when they became sick and needed them.
It is and never was a government issue. This is a private fight between people and their insurance company.
But the only programs they quote in the OP link and link within the article is medicare and medicaid.
They cut medicare so of course that would go down.
And I didn't find any link to the actual study.
Unfortunately, it has become common practice to not document sources. So many articles essentially amount to nothing.
Not that I would expect anything other than a large bias from this source, however, discussing a report and not including a link to it, is poor practice, especially for so-called journalist or news source.
quote:
Source: White House Council on Economic Advisers
Here is the report, being referenced, I believe. (pdf) report
Being dropped from your insurance and not having enough money to pay for treatment until you can find a new policy will do this.
But, but, but. . . I thought you cons all believe that consumers are just going to the dr for fun, b/c their insurance will pay for it, and if we got rid of or severely curtailed insurance, everything would be just dandy! Now you think people actually need health insurance? I guess that's progress.
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