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Old 11-22-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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It's become so common to cry "racist" that most people now ignore it. Too bad these kids don't know that.

A University of California Los Angeles professor recently came under fire from a number of students for what they described as racist behavior. According to professor emeritus Val Rust, the entire controversy arose from his effort to instill in his students a higher grammar proficiency.

UCLA]UCLA Protesters Call Good Grammar Racist Protesters Call Good Grammar Racist
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Old 11-22-2013, 08:19 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Sounds like the issue stemmed from students performing poorly. That's the next generation for you. Everyone gets a medal, everyone is a winner. When someone does not get his or her medal, then it must be someone else's fault. Blame racism, blame the rich, blame global warming. The zero accountability generation.
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Old 11-22-2013, 08:23 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Sounds like a professor that has had enough with the idiots and is trying to do something about it for the betterment of his students.
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Old 11-22-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: 53179
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What is racist about expecting good grammar out of college students? I don't get it? How did race get involved?
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Old 11-22-2013, 08:48 PM
 
Location: southern california
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The card is not new to the educational system. It is used because it is effective. But the end result is lower standards which hurt everyone.
Over 60% of high school graduates taking the general classification test (military's own form of measurement for high school profiency) fail it.
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:31 PM
 
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Our Black leaders are hurting our young people in teaching them to think in term of racism. As our Black youth focus on racism, others from outside the USA rush in to take their jobs. These foreigners work hard, speak well, and generally are drug free.
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:35 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:57 PM
 
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The thing people don't understand is that African-American Vernacular English is not "English with bad grammar." It is actually a completely separate language with its own grammatical structure -- and this structure is consistent. So these are graduate students, and if they got that far, they obviously know how to speak. They are just using a different dialect. The linked article, and the article it links, do not give enough information. Assuming a graduate professor is correcting AAVE that does not need to be corrected, that is racist.

My ancestors faced the same discrimination. Sicilian speakers are mocked, and almost all of them learn standard Italian to avoid the mocking. In fact, Sicilian now only survives among the elderly and second-generation American/Canadian/Australian speakers and is completely dying. People didn't understand that Sicilian is not inferior, just different.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:02 PM
 
Location: California
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The thing people don't understand is that African-American Vernacular English is not "English with bad grammar." It is actually a completely separate language with its own grammatical structure -- and this structure is consistent. So these are graduate students, and if they got that far, they obviously know how to speak. They are just using a different dialect. The linked article, and the article it links, do not give enough information. Assuming a graduate professor is correcting AAVE that does not need to be corrected, that is racist.

My ancestors faced the same discrimination. Sicilian speakers are mocked, and almost all of them learn standard Italian to avoid the mocking. In fact, Sicilian now only survives among the elderly and second-generation American/Canadian/Australian speakers and is completely dying. People didn't understand that Sicilian is not inferior, just different.
No. It's bad grammar and slang that's been legitimized by extensive use. It's also constantly changing so there really isn't a "proper" use of the language. It's one of the biggest problems for people who use it when trying to get anywhere in the world. It's not even worth it to TRY to justify something that holds people back so I don't know why anyone does. Broken English and heavy accents are historically some of the first things immigrants try to change when they move here...same when English speakers move elsewhere. So being here forever really leaves no good excuse. It has to change.

And yes, "racist" is the new "wolf" and I for one rarely pay attention when anyone cries it.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:05 PM
 
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How do we even know they are black? UCLA is barely 2.5% black....I googled the story and every single story was posted on a racist website(Stormfront, Angry White Men, etc, etc). Clearly, this isn't huge news, but conservative white men who feel the need to attack other races, specifically blacks.
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