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The people who post here aren't the know-nothings. I'm interested in why intelligent people are okay with giving the government control over some proposed, current or former individual decisions. It's not just healthcare. But things like what you and your kids can eat, drink or wear, what you can and can't do with your own property, what you can and can't say in public, where your kids go to school, what you drive, what your kids wear when they ride their bikes, etc. Are you afraid of making mistakes with your life and your children's lives so you don't want the responsibility of making the decisions? It's easier if the government does it for you? Do you need rules/laws in order to figure out how to function? Or is it that you are uncomfortable when everyone in society isn't exactly alike in what they say or do? You want everyone to be the same so you don't feel like an oddball?
For example, I'm trying to figure out the logic that goes with a woman has a right to say or do what she wants with her body unless it involves having a supersized drink, eating trans fats. or not wearing a helmet when she rides her motorcycle. I'm not saying she can't come to the same conclusions, only asking why she's okay with someone telling her she can't do those things if she's okay with making her own decision on abortion. Telling your kids what you have to put in their brown bag lunch from home or how high you can set your thermostat. When you can run your dishwasher. How much mileage your car has to get. What kind of light bulbs you can buy. Etc...I don't get why you just go along with it all even if you would do those things on your own.
I'm not a liberal but it's apparent that they believe government will make good decisions.
They have this idea that because government isn't motivated by making a profit, government will therefore do what is in the best interest of the common person. So you elect the best people to office and invest them with the power to make a real impact on peoples' lives, and those people will naturally make everyone's life better. If a few people get hurt now and then that's just a price that has to be paid for the greater good.
Of course, I do not agree with any of that. But I believe that's the liberal thought process.
Conservatives are against union contracts. It is obvious since they promote "right to work" laws which are nothing more than a RESTRICTION on certain union contracts between two CONSENTING adult entities. Its the only time in recent history that they've "protected" workers from anything.
This is a big fat lie.
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Conservatives are often against the legalization of prostitution. Do you disagree? These are consenting adults but you and the government have decided that this is illegal. Granted, the conservative Louisiana senator seems to enjoy them.
And liberals are often against it, as well. Did you want to debate the merits of legalizing prostitution?
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Conservatives are often against allowing people to open bars in many areas and are often for laws that require them to close at certain times.. unless of course they're big campaign contributors like casinos.
Another big fat lie.
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Conservatives are often against legalized gambling. They want to be able to selectively choose select winners who are allowed to provide gambling. Its illegal for everyone else.
Just as prostitution, this has little 'left vs right' division. The question is, is gambling itself fraud?
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Conservatives are often against legalization of drugs, both prescription and "street" drugs. They feel it is for the greater good if you don't have the choice to decide for yourself.
And again, you find yourself arguing falsely. The control of drugs, both street and pharmaceutical, is well represented on both left and right. Not even libertarians are of one mind on this. So, again you lie.
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Conservatives are for restricting certain types of marriages. They want to allow straight but disallow gays. They think it is for the best if we make that choice for you, so be straight.
Another dishonest argument.
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Conservatives are generally for banning nudity. They feel the human body is offensive and ruins the lives of onlookers, especially children. Children can not possibly process the fact that we have bodies. They must be hidden! Its about as rational as sharia law.
Another dishonest argument. I think you'll find that the people who oppose public nudity are very, very well represented on both sides of the political aisle, both conservative and liberal. Which makes your argument false in its implication.
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Conservatives generally support restricting the right to vote.
Never.
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They create laws to make some of the things above illegal and when they catch you doing it they remove your right to vote.
Dishonest argument, yet again.
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It is common knowledge that many conservatives wish that only people who pay federal income taxes had the right to vote and locally only people who pay property taxes.
You too are confused, I could say why I think this is but you would cry and I would get an infraction .... You guys want the Government to control ONLY things you don't agree with.
I feel like I have plenty of decision power over my life. And I don't mind having to submit to rules about when I can / can't drive through a stoplight, about corporations not being allowed to put harmful things into my food, and about facing consequences if I hurt other people. Why? Because I'm intelligent enough to recognize the societal necessity and benefits.
So you agree that government should tell us what we can eat, drink and smoke?
What does the bolded text even mean?
Then why do you think there should be a federal ban on same-sex marriage? Abortion ? Limits on Birth Control ?...
You guys seem to like to stereotype "Liberals".
I believe that a pregnant woman is carrying another human being, but would not support someone that would pledge to make abortion illegal. I don't feel that my tax dollars should fund it.
I am not against "same sex unions". I believe that "marriage" is between one man and one woman. I would not support someone that would pledge to make "same sex marriage" federally illegal though.
I am not for "limits" on birth control. I don't want it forced on people who don't believe in its use, nor do I want to pay for yours.
I know that this is a difficult concept for lefties to understand, but most constitutional conservatives just want to be left alone. We just want government to act within its constitutional powers.
I think it is you that needs to cut down on the drugs... How is marriage NOT an individual decision?
Because it's a mutual decision by two people... unless one is a slave and the other a master and the former had no ability to refuse OR consent.
Legally, it's a contract with the state, granted by the state to what ever unions the state will agree to. Traditionally, this has a been a man and woman, not closely related, both of which are not judged to be incompetent. This leaves out people who are related, polygamists, children, same sex people, etc, etc. You object to ONE specific tiny subset of those who are not allowed to marry and claim that's some level of massive hypocrisy. Like I said, wholly dishonest.
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Using your way of thinking, name me ONE thing that doesn't involve another party ... Well maybe masturbation, but I have a feeling you are against that.
The size of my toilet, the wattage of my incandescent light bulb. Whether I buy health insurance, the minimum wage I can agree to work for.
Tons of things that truly are individual choice you don't allow and you're not just happy to have those decisions made for you, you insist that you NOT BE ALLOWED THOSE CHOICES.
The problem is not so clearly left vs. right. I think all politicians become infected by a disease shortly after they are elected. And this disease convinces them that the government is capable of solving most of society's problems.
The right clearly wants to control some aspects of our behavior - such as marriage. The right seems comfortable with legislating morality. The left also wants to control behavior. They are more likely to try to protect the "feelings" of people with laws.
The tax code is a great example of government intrusion. The government says it is good for us to own houses, especially if we borrow money. They say it is good for us to have children. They think that giving to charity is a good thing. They treat single people differently from married people. We should all be offended by this.
What medical insurance I buy has NO liability to anyone else.
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