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Old 11-26-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I'm not changing the term I use. The term is "marriage equality". If I've ever called it "gay marriage" it was in a momentary lapse of ability to think straight. Which is usually brought on when someone says something idiotic in my presence. Examples would be: "Justin Bieber is a musical genius" or "Ronald Reagan should be put on Rushmore."
Marriage equality already exists, so why not call it what it is - gay marriage?

Don't be deceptive, just say what you mean.
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Old 11-26-2013, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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They certainly don't seem to care about civil rights now. In fact, hasn't the Religious Right been at the forefront of preventing gays from having civil rights?
Gay marriage has absolutely nothing to do with civil rights and it is highly offensive for you to compare what the civil rights movement went through and accomplished to homosexuals who want to 'marry'.
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Old 11-26-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Almost every thread regarding the "inequality of wealth" contains a mention about rich people not having "morals".

You want "morals" in a nation which you want to have no religion.

How is this possible?
Um.

I am not an atheist, but the idea that religion and morality go together is such a joke.
Or that one is predicated on the other.
Or that there is any relationship at all.
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Old 11-26-2013, 04:18 PM
 
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Don't be deceptive, just say what you mean.
OK.

The LGBT community has been the object of scorn and discrimination from the religious right for too long. I'm proud to live in a country where everyday citizens, of all faiths and of no faith, are standing up to them and saying, "No more."

The far-right can complain about the lefties but the truth is, it's Average America that has decided that marriage equality means a gay man has the right to marry a gay man and a lesbian has the right to marry a lesbian. It's an awesome country. It sometimes takes us too long to get it right but, as marriage equality becomes law in all 50 states, it proves we can. Yay.
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Old 11-26-2013, 04:23 PM
 
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Harrier doesn't think that government should be in the marriage business at all, so your question is moot.

Harrier doesn't support anyone divorcing and remarrying, however since it is his position that government should not sanction marriage, there is little that he can call to do about it.

First of all, I think Harrier's copping out here. But let's say the government got out of the marriage business. Then when a couple decides they don't want to be together any longer, and they can't decide how to divide their stuff and their pets and their kids, the courts are going to have to step in and make the call, so the government's not getting out of the marriage business.
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Old 11-26-2013, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Gay marriage has absolutely nothing to do with civil rights and it is highly offensive for you to compare what the civil rights movement went through and accomplished to homosexuals who want to 'marry'.
Really--highly offensive to who? And who gets to define which human beings are allowed to have civil rights? Who is it that gets to decide gay human beings may not have the same civil rights as all other human beings? Religious people who base their ideas on what is literally in the Bible? Sorry--this is a country governed by the rule of law and not the Bible, which brings us back to morals. The Bible does not govern morality for everyone--only Christians who believe it is a book of literal truth. Muslims believe that comes from the Koran, Jews from the Torah, Hindus and Buddhists believe otherwise.

Nobody is saying rich people have no morals. But, wealthy people who claim they are Christians, yet are greedy and avaricious and could care less about the poor and needy, certainly are not obtaining their moral values from their religious beliefs.
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Old 11-26-2013, 04:34 PM
 
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Gay marriage has absolutely nothing to do with civil rights and it is highly offensive for you to compare what the civil rights movement went through and accomplished to homosexuals who want to 'marry'.
Wrong. Again. From Merriam-Webster. I guess you'll refute that as well?

civil rights noun plural

: the rights that every person should have regardless of his or her sex, race, or religion

Full Definition of CIVIL RIGHTS


: the nonpolitical rights of a citizen; especially : the rights of personal liberty guaranteed to United States citizens by the 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution and by acts of Congress
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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OK.

The LGBT community has been the object of scorn and discrimination from the religious right for too long. I'm proud to live in a country where everyday citizens, of all faiths and of no faith, are standing up to them and saying, "No more."

The far-right can complain about the lefties but the truth is, it's Average America that has decided that marriage equality means a gay man has the right to marry a gay man and a lesbian has the right to marry a lesbian. It's an awesome country. It sometimes takes us too long to get it right but, as marriage equality becomes law in all 50 states, it proves we can. Yay.
Actually, most people on the righr, like Harrier, couldn't care less what gays do in the privacy of their rooms. Gays brought attention on themselves when they began
shoving their lifestyle down everyones throat. Then they tried to undermine the foundation of society by redefining marriage. If they want to be left alone then keep
their lifestyle among each other.
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Wrong. Again. From Merriam-Webster. I guess you'll refute that as well?

civil rights noun plural

: the rights that every person should have regardless of his or her sex, race, or religion

Full Definition of CIVIL RIGHTS


: the nonpolitical rights of a citizen; especially : the rights of personal liberty guaranteed to United States citizens by the 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution and by acts of Congress
Harrier agrees with that def and gay marriage has zero to do with civil rights.
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:39 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Almost every thread regarding the "inequality of wealth" contains a mention about rich people not having "morals".

You want "morals" in a nation which you want to have no religion.

How is this possible?
It's simple. You don't need religion to have morals.

In fact, legions of American right-wingers who are religious are highly amoral, as evidenced by their bigoted view points on minorities, their worship of guns and violence, and their support of a sharp-elbowed "dog eat dog" world view. They enjoy using their religious convictions as a cudgel with which to beat others different than themselves (gays being the most popular today) and just generally tend to act nothing like anything Jesus ever stood for.

One need merely look at the history of the world to realize that an immense number of disgusting and barbaric acts have been done by religious people in the name of their God, whether Christian, Muslim, or other.
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