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I didn't say anything about an isolated incident. I said that those that do bad things are reflecting poorly on themselves, not on everyone else in the group.
Maybe if Americans would stop blaming all of a group for the actions of a few, we would be better as a nation. Punish the criminal, not everyone associated (even loosely) with the criminal.
We can probably list 30 different characteristics of people who do things to scam others. The most despicable is probably those who do things to their children to draw sympathy for themselves. They in no way reflect bad about parents in general.
The actions of any individual says nothing about a group in general.
We can probably list 30 different characteristics of people who do things to scam others. The most despicable is probably those who do things to their children to draw sympathy for themselves. They in no way reflect bad about parents in general.
The actions of any individual says nothing about a group in general.
But using "the group" and their issues for their personal gain is what gets the bad rep.
But using "the group" and their issues for their personal gain is what gets the bad rep.
That representatives of the group in general seem quick to attack without checking the facts first does make the group at large look worse than an individual can. IMO those who yell the loudest in the media many times do not represent the group as a whole either.
I guess it's ok to judge an entire group by the actions of one then.
All Christians are just like Westboro.
All Republicans are just like the pill popping Rush.
All gun owners are irresponsible murders.
All men are drunk wife abusers.
Right?
OR we can judge a person by their own actions. This persons actions reflect badly on her, just like Westboro, Rush, murders, and abusers actions reflect badly on only themselves.
However,
WHEN this happened, and got to facebook, how many gay people on the facebook page accused ALL straight people of being anti gay, or accused all religious people of being nasty homophobes who refused to tip a waitress, etc etc.....
When a shooting goes down, it's the fault of all "gun nuts".
When a thread talks about christians, it almost ALWAYS lumps all denominations and sects into a single group.
It's a sad fact that not EVERYONE does it, but a good many people lumps everyone into a group and thinks they all are the same.
I started the thread, NOT because I felt everyone who was gay did the same as this person did, but because MANY who are gay, had lumped the family accused of not tipping the waitress in the same group of antigay haters, without the benefit of the doubt. Everyone assumed that they were christian homophobe haters.
You are right in a sense, we need to get away from automatically putting everyone in a group and assuming that because one person does something everyone similar to them always do the same thing.
Despite this now being proven to be an orchestrated hoax, you'll hear no apology from the left for their rush to judgement of this family.
of course not because it doesnt fit their narrative that gays and blacks are constantly put down and subjected to constant ridicule and as such deserve to do what they want without consequence.
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Yes, because if any one person does something wrong that means that everyone in their group is bad, and doesn't deserve to be treated equally under the law.
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I guess it's ok to judge an entire group by the actions of one then.
All Christians are just like Westboro.
All Republicans are just like the pill popping Rush.
All gun owners are irresponsible murders.
All men are drunk wife abusers.
Right?
OR we can judge a person by their own actions. This persons actions reflect badly on her, just like Westboro, Rush, murders, and abusers actions reflect badly on only themselves.
you mena like you dont? you are right in your post that one person shouldnt damage the entire group. but what happens when that group gets behind the one person, and the later on its found to be a hoax? unless that group then comes out publicly against the one person, the group is now seen as supporting what the one did. for instance, how many gay groups have come out publicly against what this woman has done? how many black groups came out against what the red lobster server did?
and lets get down further, we know the westboro "church" doesnt speak for the entire christian community as they have been excoriated by the rest of the christian community for their actions.
and gun owners also come down against irresponsible gun owners.
as for rush, he does have a physical issue that keeps him in pain on a daily basis, and he has gone through rehab, and he has come clean, and he has had his medication changed, so perhaps you need to see what he has done about his addiction rather than just look at the addiction itself. remember obama had an addiction when he was younger and he seemingly got over that, at least we havent heard of him doing coke in the white house have we?
of course not because it doesnt fit their narrative that gays and blacks are constantly put down and subjected to constant ridicule and as such deserve to do what they want without consequence.
you mena like you dont? you are right in your post that one person shouldnt damage the entire group. but what happens when that group gets behind the one person, and the later on its found to be a hoax? unless that group then comes out publicly against the one person, the group is now seen as supporting what the one did. for instance, how many gay groups have come out publicly against what this woman has done? how many black groups came out against what the red lobster server did?
and lets get down further, we know the westboro "church" doesnt speak for the entire christian community as they have been excoriated by the rest of the christian community for their actions.
and gun owners also come down against irresponsible gun owners.
as for rush, he does have a physical issue that keeps him in pain on a daily basis, and he has gone through rehab, and he has come clean, and he has had his medication changed, so perhaps you need to see what he has done about his addiction rather than just look at the addiction itself. remember obama had an addiction when he was younger and he seemingly got over that, at least we havent heard of him doing coke in the white house have we?
And that is exactly what happened.
Now that her story fell apart "the group" have just cleaned up their websites and are acting like they never said a word about this. Not a word of apology. Not a word about how they jumped to the wrong conclusion and dragged a family through the mud. NOTHING. Purged like it never existed.
But the Marines didn't sit by and say nothing..gay or not.
They cleared up their name ASAP. She was no "veteran" and wasn't in Afghanistan and didn't survive a bomb attack that killed everyone but her.
And that is exactly what happened.
Now that her story fell apart "the group" have just cleaned up their websites and are acting like they never said a word about this. Not a word of apology. Not a word about how they jumped to the wrong conclusion and dragged a family through the mud. NOTHING. Purged like it never existed.
But the Marines didn't sit by and say nothing..gay or not.
They cleared up their name ASAP. She was no "veteran" and wasn't in Afghanistan and didn't survive a bomb attack that killed everyone but her.
but as i recall the marines didnt get behind her story at first either.
but as i recall the marines didnt get behind her story at first either.
It was local when it first got noticed.
It didn't go national until the couple saw the receipt on their local news.
The national media contacted the Marines.
This first happened on 11/15 and was Facebook only and only on the GayDay Facebook.
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