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Old 12-05-2013, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I saw a clip of Obama talking about upward mobility and that it's not possible. I am proof that it is. Unfortunately I am finding out that as you move up the government taketh more and more money away pushing you right back down. If you have dreams of moving up don't buy into Obama's lie.

Obama claims he wants to tax the rich. Obama is not talking about taxing the rich, he is talking about raising taxes on people that are trying to move up. Don't buy into Obama's lie.
What percentage of your AGI is > than $400K? That's the portion of income subject to a higher tax rate.
The highest tax rate is substantially lower than it has been over the majority of the past 50 years.

The federal government has no control over your state taxes, sale taxes or property taxes.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Years ago when the big companies in our area was closing there were people who sat around and griped day in and day out and there were people who understood that times were changing and moved or went to college. Of course the people who complained are poor, the people who went with the times are doing good.

You may not like globalization but it is here to stay. Will you moan and complain and buy into Obama's, poor me class warfare rhetoric (lie) or will you go with the flow and take advantage of opportunities.
Is there a point to this hollow statement? Everyone should go to college and learn something to do for work? Yes, globalization is here to stay and it is important to make sure it is easy and affordable for people to go to college so that it is easier for them to find work in more profitable and available trades.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Is there a point to this hollow statement? Everyone should go to college and learn something to do for work? Yes, globalization is here to stay and it is important to make sure it is easy and affordable for people to go to college so that it is easier for them to find work in more profitable and available trades.
Boy does that sound like a mouthful of propaganda.

Didn't we already make college "more affordable" by handing out money like it was candy so that students could graduate with $30K or more in loans to pay off ? Is 30K debt not enough ? Should we give them more money ?

How do we make college more "easy" ? Forget about grades and diplomas ?
Move NCLB to secondary education and just declare everyone a winner ?

What new "work" is emerging that is profitable and available ?
Just what should these college freshman major it ?

There is no meat in your post.
We have lots of college graduates that are so underemployed they cannot afford their student loans.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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you don't get it....

FDR...new world order
LBJ...new world order
carter....new world order
bush (also a liberal globalist)...new world order
Clinton...new world order...bridge to the next world
Obama...new world order

ea ch and everyone of them mentiond new world order in one form or another

yep new world order....brzezinski the mentor..the mentories....carter, bush1, clinton, bush2, obama...all PROGRESSIVES

THE TEN STEPS OF KARL MARX (With my comments interspersed). Taken from the Communist Manifesto

1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

We already have this in America. Through property taxes we have been made serfs on our own land. Through tyrannical zoning laws, wetlands regulations, EPA regulations, etc., we no longer control our lands. Our once strong private property rights have been abolished through regulatory oppression, bureaucratic tyranny and unbiblical types of taxation.

2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

We already have this in America. The higher your income, the higher the tax bracket you are placed in for purposes of calculating your tax bill. The constitution teaches us the principle of equality...(like you would get from the Flat Tax ). Why do liberals pretend to want to tax the wealthy more? Because it advances their program for fomenting class envy and class warfare. Divide and conquer, that is the strategy of the evil communist liberals who are wrecking America with ever higher taxes and increasingly bigger government.

3) Abolition of all right of inheritance.

We already have this in America. The inheritance taxes are astronomically high and this is just plain wrongl. Liberals want to destroy the family because strong families do not need socialism or government give away programs. Liberals want to destroy the ability of strong families to perpetuate the influence of their progeny by stealing half of their net worth through the imposition of confiscatory inheritance tax rates.

4) Confiscation of the property of emigrants and rebels.

We already have this in America. You have heard about "FORFEITURE LAWS." Many branches of local, state and federal law enforcement agencies and regulatory agencies are confiscating property, goods and money without a trial, without due process, etc. This is a perfect tool for the tyrant bureaucrat who wants to make your life hell. If you are not "Politically Correct" liberals will use these laws to harass you and confiscate your property.

5) Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We already have this in America. It is called the Federal Reserve Bank. This is the single most evil, deadly and damaging of the 10 Planks of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. The counterfeit paper debt based monetary scheme that we now suffer is going to destroy our Republic, our liberty and our economy. The Federal Reserve System is an exclusive monopoly. The Federal Reserve is not a branch of the Federal Government and it does not have any reserves of Gold or Silver coin backing their "Federal Reserve Notes." Federal Reserve Notes are counterfeit Money, fiat money. The Federal Reserve controls our economy through it's monopolistic control of interest rates. We have a 20 Trillion Dollar Debt pyramid in this nation and one day it is all going to come crashing down. When it does crash, the bankers who gave us nothing more than paper money will repossess and confiscate nearly every home, business, farm, vehicle and all property in America that has a mortgage or outstanding balance on it. On that day you should take you gun out and kill as many communist liberals as you can find.

6) Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to exercise complete control over the media via the FCC and monopolistic media mogul billionaires. At this time they control 90 to 95% of the media that the masses turn to for information. But the free press has proved more resilient than our enemies planned and the Internet is really upsetting their apple-cart. As for their efforts to centralize transportation, liberals are very anxious to force us all to use state run mass transit trains, subways and car pooling schemes. Thus we can see how the enemies of liberty have very nearly achieved their goal of fully implementing the sixth plank of the communist manifesto.

7) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to force central planning on farmers. They have been very successful through the use farm subsidies and regulations at destroying the small independent family owned farm. Today instead of family farms our nations food supply is produced and controlled by huge corporations and this is called "agri-business." This destruction of the family owned farms was not an accident of history, rather it was done by design. American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to force central planning on the manufacturing sector. By imposing millions of regulations on every minute aspect of business, they have either driven the small independent factories out of business or forced them to sell out to one of the large multi-national mega-corporations. Only the large corporations have the capability, the man-power to research and obey all of the millions of federal regulations. This destruction of the family owned factories was not an accident of history, rather it was done by design. Again we can see how the enemies of liberty have very nearly achieved their goal of fully implementing the seventh plank of the communist manifesto.

8) Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to pass federal legislation to implement the goals of this Plank of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. So called "industrial armies" in modern parlance are known as Unions. The collection by "force" of Union Dues, from the employees who are subject to Forced Unionism, has been devastating to the political process in America. Every Union without exception supports left wing candidates with both money and man-power. As to the concept of equal pay for all workers regardless of skill or productivity, this plank of the communist manifesto has been implemented both in Union shops and via the minimum wage. But the minimum wage law violates the rights of private parties to contract without interference and is another example of the numerous ways that liberals have worked to implement Marxism in our nation.

9) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

This is Social Engineering. This, for example, is telling people where to live and telling farmers and businessmen by dint of government regulations and central planning how to run their business! Yes we have plenty of Social Engineering in America. Yes our nation has been severely damaged by leftists who have been very successful at implementing to a greater or lesser degree all ten planks of the Communist Manifesto, but it is not yet absolute or irreversible.

10) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

Yes we have this in America. In my opinion this Plank of the Communist Manifesto ranks second place for the evil it has done to our nation. Our lousy, government run, Public School and Public University system costs three to four times more than it should and yet they do a poor job of educating the children. Now the Federal government is trying to take over public education in America. The Fed's are proposing through their Goals 2000 program, another program that is right out of the communist manifesto. It is called the "Schools to work program." But the worst aspect of government schools is that they are actively promoting and indoctrinating our children in the ideas of Marxism, big government, central planning, government run education, fiat currency or paper money, environmental extremism, forced unionism, and socialism in general.


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The foundation of fascism in part came from the progressive movement especially economically. Fascism is about bringing all within the State, nothing without the state. Its statism/collectivism. Also known as the religion of the state which is obvously similar to that of progressivism.

This is what I mean when I type conservatives drift further and further away from reality.

You cannot engage someone so caught up in a global conspiracy that spans many decades and many Presidents.

This is where conservatism is in 2013 focused on crazy sh..
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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Is there a point to this hollow statement? Everyone should go to college and learn something to do for work? Yes, globalization is here to stay and it is important to make sure it is easy and affordable for people to go to college so that it is easier for them to find work in more profitable and available trades.
A major in Chinese with a minor in business administration?
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Globalization has already eroded wealth mobility.
There's nothing this President can do about that.

We're a consumer and service economy.
We buy and fix stuff made elsewhere.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Boy does that sound like a mouthful of propaganda.

Didn't we already make college "more affordable" by handing out money like it was candy so that students could graduate with $30K or more in loans to pay off ? Is 30K debt not enough ? Should we give them more money ?

How do we make college more "easy" ? Forget about grades and diplomas ?
Move NCLB to secondary education and just declare everyone a winner ?

What new "work" is emerging that is profitable and available ?
Just what should these college freshman major it ?

There is no meat in your post.
Putting college students into debt isn't the same thing about making college affordable.

I was referring "easy" in the sense that it should be more available for people to go into if there aren't going to be enough manufacturing jobs, college should also include trade schools that helps educate students in new trades as well.

Of course there was no meat in my post because I was responding to a post that was equally hollow. If that bothers you, then you should tell the one I was responding to that he should start adding meat to his posts rather than post hollow posts.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Since 2009 the middle class has been going downhill economically and growth.
Middle class has been on a decline since the early 70's. It's a triple whammy, global competition, technology and shareholder activism.

Those with the least amount of education have tended to be impacted more so than any other class of people.

Neither U.S. or global consumers are going to pay more so that more U.S. people can have a middle class lifestyle.

There's no stopping technology from eliminating jobs.

Any corporation that does not run a tight ship becomes a potential target for shareholder activists, like Carl Icahn, hedge and private money investment funds. They will make the tough decisions necessary to extract more value out of their investment.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:28 PM
 
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Is there a point to this hollow statement? Everyone should go to college and learn something to do for work? Yes, globalization is here to stay and it is important to make sure it is easy and affordable for people to go to college so that it is easier for them to find work in more profitable and available trades.
Then why are the Democrats who run colleges and universities greatly jacking up tuition costs? Why are universities wasting so much $ on bloated administration? Why are colleges and universities offering so many junk, politicized majors that do not do much to provide employable skills?

Our colleges and universities are broken too. The same people ruining higher ed. are the same folks ruining our economy and destroying our healthcare and insurance system via the ACA.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Putting college students into debt isn't the same thing about making college affordable.

I was referring "easy" in the sense that it should be more available for people to go into if there aren't going to be enough manufacturing jobs, college should also include trade schools that helps educate students in new trades as well.

Of course there was no meat in my post because I was responding to a post that was equally hollow. If that bothers you, then you should tell the one I was responding to that he should start adding meat to his posts rather than post hollow posts.
Well that was the entire reason that the government nationalized student loans.
They told us that making money flow like candy would make college more affordable.
They also told that to people buying homes and we see how that turned out.

Trade schools exist today and don't need to be "part of college".
You can also learn a trade in CC today.

It's not like there are no trade schools in the US.

Kids in school are pushed to be college ready and that all should go to college.
There's no mention of trade school or vocational training as an alternative.
And Common Core is now implemented so that every HS graduate is "college ready".
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