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Old 12-08-2013, 07:11 PM
 
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Um - this couple sued for an injunction ordering this bakery to stop discriminating against customers on the basis of sexual orientation. That's what the judge ordered. They didn't sue for a cake. They got their wedding cake a long time ago from elsewhere.
They got what they wanted then didn't they? Rejoice and be happy.

 
Old 12-08-2013, 07:12 PM
 
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They got what they wanted then didn't they? Rejoice and be happy.
I am happy. What does that have to do with you mistaking a bakery for a church or an injunction for a cake?
 
Old 12-08-2013, 07:21 PM
 
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I am happy.
You don't sound very happy. You and several others actually sound angry that there isn't a tidal wave of support for these two little darlings from the general population and that folks actually support the bakery and not the homosexuals.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 08:07 PM
 
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Where does the US Constitution address the religious beliefs of commercial enterprises?

It seems absurd to me that we're talking about businesses having religious beliefs.

That would be absurd if anyone were doing that, but since we are actually discussing the rights of individuals, let's not introduce straw men.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 08:15 PM
 
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That would be absurd if anyone were doing that, but since we are actually discussing the rights of individuals, let's not introduce straw men.
The issue of individual rights here is the right of gay people not to be discriminated against when engaging in commerce under the law of Colorado. I'm glad the court here protected that.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 08:43 PM
 
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Is she driving on public roads? Or is she on a closed track where driving at high speeds is legal?

No, drivers like Ms. Muldowney race at privately owned tracks that are in fact private businesses.

The track owners determine who may race on their track and even what sort of racing may take place.

Circle-track racers would not be welcome at a drag strip and vice versa.

Circle-track drivers have never sued drag strip owners because racers, as tangentially attached to sanity as may be the case, still posses enough common sense to realize they should simply go somewhere else to conduct their business.

Enter the homosexual agenda and liberal thought police.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 08:55 PM
 
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The issue of individual rights here is the right of gay people not to be discriminated against when engaging in commerce under the law of Colorado. I'm glad the court here protected that.

Well, we both know regardless of what a court says about a state law, this is going to ultimately become a federal matter.

It's a long way from settled.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 08:59 PM
 
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You don't sound very happy. You and several others actually sound angry that there isn't a tidal wave of support for these two little darlings from the general population and that folks actually support the bakery and not the homosexuals.
You see this because you want to. The two gay men have nothing to do with this and nobody is looking for support for them. The anger, if any, is towards a business that would break the law now and forever if they weren't called on the carpet. I don't care if this guy would rather close up shop than bake a cake for gays, he's already baking cakes for adulterers, pedophiles, wife beater, liars, tax cheats and god knows who else so they are already supporting sin. That they would pick out one thing in particular and get all Christian-y about it makes me laugh.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 09:28 PM
 
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No, drivers like Ms. Muldowney race at privately owned tracks that are in fact private businesses.

The track owners determine who may race on their track and even what sort of racing may take place.

Circle-track racers would not be welcome at a drag strip and vice versa.

Circle-track drivers have never sued drag strip owners because racers, as tangentially attached to sanity as may be the case, still posses enough common sense to realize they should simply go somewhere else to conduct their business.

Enter the homosexual agenda and liberal thought police.
The problem with your argument is that people who prefer specific types of race tracks are not protected classes under any state or federal laws. If someone is racing in an unsanctioned or unsafe manner, the business can refuse to serve them. On the other hand, if the owner of the track didn't want some protected class of people racing at their track (and for the record, this includes straight white Christians) then we would have a serious problem.

If a gay baker/race track owner refused to provide service to a straight couple/driver based on that fact, I would find it equally heinous as this situation, and would support any suits filed against the business.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Homosexual militants have successfully bullied a religious establishment into going against their faith. These wonderful little darlings should be proud of themselves and savor this victory.
It's a bakery, not a religious establishment. They're in the BUSINESS of making cakes.
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