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Old 12-10-2013, 12:01 PM
 
Location: NJ
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3% GDP growth projected, with better results still in 2015.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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3% GDP growth projected, with better results still in 2015.
That's good news. Looks like Republicans putting the brakes on the Obama agenda is finally going to pay off.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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3% GDP growth projected, with better results still in 2015.
Yes the fear of the Republican Party. Remember Mr.Steal your pension Romney warned them that the Policies of the Pres. were working and if they didnt win in 2012 they might never win again.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:14 PM
 
Location: The High Plains
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3% GDP growth projected, with better results still in 2015.
Any news of growth is welcome news.....my primary concerns are addressing deficits and growing debt that have resulted from the stimulus and how true the growth is. The prime has been pumped heavily and interest rates have been held artifically low for a very long time. The deficits are projected to drop to around 700 Billion for a while and sustain there for a few years but then peak over 1 Trillion within the next decade. IMO, tax rates for both marginal rates and corporate rates should be cut and spending should be cut very hard...both in social services and military expenditures. The federal workforce should be trimmed down substantially. If this is true private sector growth...we shouldn't see significant impacts from the austerity.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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That's good news. Looks like Republicans putting the brakes on the Obama agenda is finally going to pay off.
Yep, and the markets looking forward to the GOP taking control of the Senate and pushing Barack to the ash heap of irrelevancy early.
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:56 PM
 
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So much for the Democratic Lie that the sequestration would wreck America! That any form of austerity would plunge us into a recession! That the "fiscal cliff" would be the end!

What a bunch of ****ing idiots liberals and Democrats are. All of them are liars and demagogues.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:02 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Any news of growth is welcome news.....my primary concerns are addressing deficits and growing debt that have resulted from the stimulus and how true the growth is. The prime has been pumped heavily and interest rates have been held artifically low for a very long time. The deficits are projected to drop to around 700 Billion for a while and sustain there for a few years but then peak over 1 Trillion within the next decade. IMO, tax rates for both marginal rates and corporate rates should be cut and spending should be cut very hard...both in social services and military expenditures. The federal workforce should be trimmed down substantially. If this is true private sector growth...we shouldn't see significant impacts from the austerity.
Moodys' opinion is QE is insignificant in terms of economic affect. They expect it to end, and be a big so what towards stopping excellent growth.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:19 PM
 
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So much for the Democratic Lie that the sequestration would wreck America! That any form of austerity would plunge us into a recession! That the "fiscal cliff" would be the end!

What a bunch of ****ing idiots liberals and Democrats are. All of them are liars and demagogues.
And the sequestration will cripple our military, dont forget that one....from the right.

Bottom line though is the sequestration wasn't nearly big enough to really make any sort of difference. The politicions scream and moan about it because the people paying them are upset about it.

Lets watch and see what comes out of the paul ryan negotiations.....I bet he rolls back some of the sequestration.

Austerity now isnt as bad of a thing as it was 2 years ago. Shrug. Austerity is great...at the right time. 2 years ago it was a horrific idea. a year from now...not so bad. right now? dunno.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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3% GDP growth projected, with better results still in 2015.
Three rounds of significant currency devaluation, and another $4 trillion added to the national debt for the working class to pay interest on, and we're supposed to be happy with a 3% GDP growth rate? 3% is America's natural GDP growth rate, which means NO improvement in high unemployment and underemployment rates (Okun's Law | EconEdLink). Considering November's 13.2% real unemployment rate (U-6), and the 9.1 million new jobs needed to restore prerecession labor market health (http://useconomy.about.com/od/suppl1...ment_rate.htm; From free-fall to stagnation: Five years after the start of the Great Recession, extraordinary policy measures are still needed, but are not forthcoming | Economic Policy Institute), we need recovery-style growth rates--not stagnation rates.

Let's not forget that the GDP increase resulting from businesses rebuilding inventory (as most of the recent GDP growth has been), it isn't economic growth at all. We also need to recognize that GDP growth attributable to government spending is worse than nothing: it is doubly damaging in both loss of discretionary income and the suppression of future economic growth. America's total tax burden (federal, state and local) hit 27.1% in 2012 (RealClearMarkets - The Federal Government's Increasing Tax Impact On the Private Sector) -- far surpassing the 22.9% "optimal" tax burden, where the benefits of government reach their peak without depressing productive activity (http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/st188.pdf). To put this in perspective, had the tax burden remained at the optimal rate since 1949 (when we first surpassed it), "the average American family would have had twice as much real income as it has today...on average, this represents over $750,000 in lost income over the lifetime of every American family" (http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/st188.pdf).

While we've statistically been in a "recovery" since June 2009, 95% of the recovery's income gains went to the top 1% (whose incomes had only declined of 49% during the Recession). 95% of the jobs lost in the Recession were Middle Class jobs, while the few jobs that were created were primarily low-wage (How the recession turned middle-class jobs into low-wage jobs). A higher percentage of Americans are working low income jobs than ever before (95 Percent Of The Jobs Lost During The Recession Were Middle Class Jobs), and by 2012 the top decile got the highest percentage of national income since records began 1917[/b] (How the 1 percent won the recovery, in one table).

The job creation figures we have seen during Obama's reign are even more pathetic considering we need 180,000 new jobs a month just to keep up with population growth, and almost half the jobs that are being created are government jobs: "Federal, state and local governments hired 41% of the total of 818,000 net additional jobs created in the United States during the month" (41% of Net New Jobs in November Were in Government | CNS News). Translation: even more of your paycheck being confiscated to pay for Big Government, and even more of your potential future income disappearing in the increasingly-crippled economy.

Five years of Obama's policies have given us record high after-tax corporate profits, a record low for worker's share of GDP, a 30-year low workforce participation rate, and 4 million less full time jobs than we had in 2007 (Corporate profits hit record as wages get squeezed - Dec. 3, 2012 Lowest labor-force participation rate since 1978 Income-Inequality Revisionism | National Review Online). It's increasingly hard to argue that Obama is a champion of the "little guy," when his policies benefit the ultra-rich as the working class falls more and more behind.
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Old 12-10-2013, 06:02 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Three rounds of significant currency devaluation, and another $4 trillion added to the national debt for the working class to pay interest on, and we're supposed to be happy with a 3% GDP growth rate?
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I am delighted we will be 3%, given an EU under 1%, and a global economy, 3% is amazingly great.

Natural rates worked well in the era when the world was round, but economically, as Friedman correctly notes, it is now flat.

The EU's rate is a drag on our economy.
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