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The specification is black and poor. The MI black population is in fact higher than AL or MS. And the Detroit Black population is a higher percentage...almost double...of either. And both MS and AL have a lower poverty level and substantially higher incomes than Detroit.
You simply don't have a basis for suggesting that black and poor is not the causal for the crime problem in the core of the rust belt cities. It appears clear that it is. There well may be other terms...ie the presence of black males between 14 and 29...but it is clearly a major factor.
I never said being poor wasn't the issue. I was saying that a major factor is "cheek to jowl" living. Crowded conditions tend to exasperate alot of things and make things worse.
And as far as Black population, I think said person was talking about percentages, not raw numbers. And yes, I would say that Michigan and Alabama have higher incomes. However, you have to compare state to state. You have to compare apples to apples.
I never said being poor wasn't the issue. I was saying that a major factor is "cheek to jowl" living. Crowded conditions tend to exasperate alot of things and make things worse.
And as far as Black population, I think said person was talking about percentages, not raw numbers. And yes, I would say that Michigan and Alabama have higher incomes. However, you have to compare state to state. You have to compare apples to apples.
It would be ideal to compare apples to apples but that is not what we are discussing here. That is a claim that rural southern black and poor are relatively free of crime. So we are trying to compare a city to a non city. Hence Apples and Pears. And one side of the equation is Detroit or similar. Otherwise you lose all relevance.
Note that Detroit is not particularly cheek to jowl. That is one of the big problems. It is a very big city with scattered neighborhoods and much open space.
There are more blacks in MI than in AL. The AL income is almost twice that of Detroit. Poverty levels in the AL cities is half that of Detroit.
Your belief that the rurals, or rural AL in particular, is lower in black crime is not supported by any statistic of which I am aware. You need to get to similar poverty levels and age structures.
Besides Detroit and Flint I've never heard of large populations of black people in Michigan. Where do these black people in Michigan live? I've been through Bama top to bottom and I've seen black folks in cities, towns and in the country. I don't need statistics about the rural South. I'm a black man from the South and I live in a rural area in the South.
It would be ideal to compare apples to apples but that is not what we are discussing here. That is a claim that rural southern black and poor are relatively free of crime. So we are trying to compare a city to a non city. Hence Apples and Pears. And one side of the equation is Detroit or similar. Otherwise you lose all relevance.
Note that Detroit is not particularly cheek to jowl. That is one of the big problems. It is a very big city with scattered neighborhoods and much open space.
The point is that poverty in urban areas has somewhat of a different dynamic compared to rural areas. Certain cultural aspects might be similar, but I would say that urban areas tend to have a different dynamic. I never said that rural Black areas were free of crime. I said being in a rural area can play a part on what crime rates might be.
You cant' compare a city to an entire state. That is why I compared a state to a state.
Besides Detroit and Flint I've never heard of large populations of black people in Michigan. Where do these black people in Michigan live? I've been through Bama top to bottom and I've seen black folks in cities, towns and in the country. I don't need statistics about the rural South. I'm a black man from the South and I live in a rural area in the South.
There are around 1.4 milllion black people in Michigan. About half in Detroit, Flint and Saginaw. The rest are spread around.
Mississippi shows about 1,16 million black people. Alabama about 1.27 million.
The point is that poverty in urban areas has somewhat of a different dynamic compared to rural areas. Certain cultural aspects might be similar, but I would say that urban areas tend to have a different dynamic. I never said that rural Black areas were free of crime. I said being in a rural area can play a part on what crime rates might be.
You cant' compare a city to an entire state. That is why I compared a state to a state.
sure you can. And have to if you want to consider rural poor. But you can't compare the partial population of a city by comparing its state. Has no meaning.
I will choose, "other". Entitlement attitude. The, "I deserve to have this" belief whether it be shoplifting, stealing from someone else to pay for drugs, or to sell for cash, it, to me, comes from an entitlement attitude.
Besides Detroit and Flint I've never heard of large populations of black people in Michigan. Where do these black people in Michigan live? I've been through Bama top to bottom and I've seen black folks in cities, towns and in the country. I don't need statistics about the rural South. I'm a black man from the South and I live in a rural area in the South.
That is the major difference. Most of Michigan's Black population is concentrated in urban areas such as Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids, Saginaw, Muskegon, basically, the cities, and some of the suburbs. There are few places where Blacks are living in rural areas of Michigan. The dynamic is different for Mississippi and Alabama.
And for rural areas in general, crime is of a different nature. High crime rates can occur in rural areas. Consider oxycontin. There is an epidemic of that in many rural areas of Appalachia. One pill of oxy can go for over $100 in parts of eastern Kentucky, much more than on the streets of Louisville.
I look at it like this. There is alot of poverty, deprivation, and even crime in parts of Appalachia. The nature of crime in that area differs from being in the city. It's more spread out.
sure you can. And have to if you want to consider rural poor. But you can't compare the partial population of a city by comparing its state. Has no meaning.
It has meaning when one considered WHERE in Michigan Blacks are living. It has meaning when one considers WHERE? As someone who has a degree in Geography, this is something I've had to learn. One has to look at the spatial distribution.
It has meaning when one considered WHERE in Michigan Blacks are living. It has meaning when one considers WHERE? As someone who has a degree in Geography, this is something I've had to learn. One has to look at the spatial distribution.
And the spatial distribution of black people in Detroit is utterly different than that of the rest of Michigan.
Detroit is most interesting as a model in that it is so extreme. You can work a St. Louis or a Rochester or Baltimore but you don't get the limit case as you do in Detroit.
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