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View Poll Results: Do you support life equality?
Yes, I support the equal right to life for all. 42 53.16%
No, I do not support the equal right to life for all. 37 46.84%
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-07-2014, 10:15 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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As a liberal this is going to freak out people but life does begin at "conception". It's a "process" so to call a "embryo' not a living organism is beyond bizarre.
It is a living organism right?
Yes, if one defines "life" as the process of the development of a new whole human specimen from the beginning to the end, then life does begin at conception/fertilization.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:42 PM
 
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I doubt he knows anything at all about pregnancy- including all the risks up to and including death.

Should the state be allowed to force a woman to put her health or life at risk?

Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:
§ exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
§ altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
§ nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
§ heartburn and indigestion
§ constipation
§ weight gain
§ dizziness and light-headedness
§ bloating, swelling, fluid retention
§ hemmorhoids
§ abdominal cramps
§ yeast infections
§ congested, bloody nose
§ acne and mild skin disorders
§ skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
§ mild to severe backache and strain
§ increased headaches
§ difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
§ increased urination and incontinence
§ bleeding gums
§ pica
§ breast pain and discharge
§ swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
§ difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
§ inability to take regular medications
§ shortness of breath
§ higher blood pressure
§ hair loss
§ tendency to anemia
§ curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
§ infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
(pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
§ extreme pain on delivery
§ hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
§ continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:
§ stretch marks (worse in younger women)
§ loose skin
§ permanent weight gain or redistribution
§ abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
§ pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
§ changes to breasts
§ varicose veins
§ scarring from episiotomy or c-section
§ other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
§ increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
§ loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)

Occasional complications and side effects:
§ complications of episiotomy
§ spousal/partner abuse
§ hyperemesis gravidarum
§ temporary and permanent injury to back
§severe scarring requiring later surgery
(especially after additional pregnancies)
§ dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
§ pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
§ eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
§ gestational diabetes
§ placenta previa
§ anemia (which can be life-threatening)
§ thrombocytopenic purpura
§ severe cramping
§ embolism (blood clots)
§ medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
§ diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
§ mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
§ serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
§ hormonal imbalance
§ ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
§ broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
§ hemorrhage and numerous other complications of delivery
§ refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
§ aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
§ severe post-partum depression and psychosis
§ research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
§ research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
§ research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:
§ peripartum cardiomyopathy
§ cardiopulmonary arrest
§ magnesium toxicity
§ severe hypoxemia/acidosis
§ massive embolism
§ increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
§ molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
(like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
§ malignant arrhythmia
§ circulatory collapse
§ placental abruption
§ obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:
§ future infertility
§ permanent disability
§ death.

Actually, these are side effects of irresponsible sex.

None of this happens if the people involved quit acting like animals and control themselves.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:45 PM
 
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Consent to sex is not consent for pregnancy. We have been over this before.
You've been over it with nothing but idiots if you have come to that conclusion
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:05 PM
 
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Actually, these are side effects of irresponsible sex.

None of this happens if the people involved quit acting like animals and control themselves.

Uh... I hate to inform you but those are the side effects of wanted pregnancies too.
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:23 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Uh... I hate to inform you but those are the side effects of wanted pregnancies too.
Yes, I know.

That said, the result (or side effect, if you want to call it that) of abortion for the embryo/fetus is death.
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Actually, these are side effects of irresponsible sex.

None of this happens if the people involved quit acting like animals and control themselves.
There are no words to address this kind of idiocy, so....

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Old 01-07-2014, 11:55 PM
 
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Yes, I know.

That said, the result (or side effect, if you want to call it that) of abortion for the embryo/fetus is death.
If an abortion or a miscarriage was classified as 'death' why do women who have miscarriages (which happens all the time) not have to get a death certificate for the embryo/fetus?

In fact, if we take it to the extreme and classify "life" from the time of conception/fertilization, should women get a death certificate every time they menstruated just in case? There is often a fertilized egg which just didn't quite attach to the uterine wall properly which is not even noticed by the woman.

And pregnancy can result in death of the mother too- a fully grown thinking person where a death certificate is required.

What are your thoughts about the State ordering a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, and she dies or is permanently disabled because of complications?
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Abortion is a woman's choice. No one else's. You can disagree and shout until you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day the person who gets to decide what to do with her body is the woman in question.

Period.
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Old 01-08-2014, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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As if life is a matter of opinion?

Ever hear the term "with child"?
ever hear the term "we're pregnant"....?Obviously the man is not preggo, its just something you say
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Old 01-08-2014, 12:05 AM
 
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I doubt he knows anything at all about pregnancy- including all the risks up to and including death.

Should the state be allowed to force a woman to put her health or life at risk?
When obviating that risk requires killing someone else, yes it should.

Pregnancy isn't cancer. All of life comes with certain risks. Your fearmongering is ridiculous.

Choosing to have sex is choosing the risk of pregnancy. You conveniently leave that part out. Should the state force her to put her health at risk? Didn't she already do that herself when she had intercourse?
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