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You do realize don't you that vaccination doesn't always work?
Why should my premiums go up because you're one of those people who insist on a phony (doesn't work) flu shot every year?..and then still get sick anyways?
It's the measles shots that are keeping it alive....and outbreaks among the vaccinated are veeery common.
I've never understood why if you believe in vaccines so much, you'd ever even give a second thought to someones who's not? The 2013 Measles Outbreak: A Failing Vaccine, Not A Failure To
The report stressed that existing vaccines are the best flu prevention weapon
available and should continue to be used, but called for increased efforts to
develop better vaccines.
The articles conveniately leave out pertinent information (typical CDC), such as what kind of health these people were in beforehand....as I understand it MOST had other health conditions.
If they had been vaccinated (and two were) with this years flu vaccine of choice...whose to say one of the other 80 some odd strains wouldn't have got them?
The predominant strain circulating this year is A H1N1. It is causing about 90% of the total influenza cases, which means it is causing most of the deaths. It is covered by the vaccine.
From the childhood deaths link above:
"40 percent of these children had no recognized chronic health problems."
The information is there. You just have to read it.
Of the deaths who were vaccinated, we do not know whether it was due to a strain not in the vaccine or whether the infection happened soon after the patient had the vaccine and before it had time to work.
You can try to rationalize it to fit your personal view, but the fact is that the majority of people who die from influenza were not vaccinated against it.
The articles conveniately leave out pertinent information (typical CDC), such as what kind of health these people were in beforehand....as I understand it MOST had other health conditions.
If they had been vaccinated (and two were) with this years flu vaccine of choice...whose to say one of the other 80 some odd strains wouldn't have got them?
Ask and it shall be given you! See below. The information you asked for is in the link I posted three days ago in this thread, and just now starred.
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Originally Posted by Katiana
90% of child deaths from flu last year occurred in unimmunized children. Anecdotes do not make good arguments.
Now the anti-vaxers, who do not understand epidemiology, think 40% is negligible, but it's almost half! If 40% who were immunized had some reaction, the anti-vaxers would be up in arms, preferably AK-47s!
You do realize don't you that vaccination doesn't always work?
Why should my premiums go up because you're one of those people who insist on a phony (doesn't work) flu shot every year?..and then still get sick anyways?
It's the measles shots that are keeping it alive....and outbreaks among the vaccinated are veeery common.
I've never understood why if you believe in vaccines so much, you'd ever even give a second thought to someones who's not? The 2013 Measles Outbreak: A Failing Vaccine, Not A Failure To
The link from greenmedinfo is another piece of disingenous anti-vax garbage. If you click on the link in the article , that references the original CNN broadcast, you find a different story altogether than the title purports, to wit: "Among those who have been stricken with measles this year, 92% were not vaccinated or had unknown vaccination status. The largest outbreak was in New York, where 58 people contracted measles in a community where many refuse to be vaccinated for religious reasons." In the measles epidemic of the late 1980s/early 90s, it was learned that two doses of measles vaccine was needed to produce optimum immunity. All the US outbreaks it discusses other than in 2013 happened before or during that epidemic. But that's how the anti-vax people operate.
You do realize don't you that vaccination doesn't always work?
Why should my premiums go up because you're one of those people who insist on a phony (doesn't work) flu shot every year?..and then still get sick anyways?
It's the measles shots that are keeping it alive....and outbreaks among the vaccinated are veeery common.
I've never understood why if you believe in vaccines so much, you'd ever even give a second thought to someones who's not? The 2013 Measles Outbreak: A Failing Vaccine, Not A Failure To
It has repeatedly been explained to you that when you talk about people who catch an infectious disease for which they have been vaccinated, you have to consider the number of vaccinated people who do not catch the disease.
When you ignore that and continue to insist that "outbreaks among the vaccinated are veeery common", I can only conclude you are deliberately trying to mislead your readers.
Some people who are vaccinated do not develop immunity and get the disease, although they frequently have a milder illness when they do.
Once again, here is how it works.
Take 1000 US children. About 90% of them are vaccinated for measles = 900.
That means about 100 are not vaccinated.
The measles vaccine is about 95% effective. That means 5% or 0.05 x 900 or 45 of the vaccinated children are not protected by the vaccine.
Measles has about a 90 to 95% attack rate.
So, let's expose all 1000 children to measles.
45 vaccinated children are still unprotected and susceptible to measles. 40 to 43 of them will catch the disease.
100 unvaccinated children are susceptible: 90 to 95 of them will catch measles.
However, 855 children were protected by the vaccine and did not catch measles.
In a highly vaccinated population, some vaccinated individuals will still catch the disease. However, the risk of catching it is much higher if you are not vaccinated. In the example above, about 90 out of 100 unvaccinated children got measles. Only 4 out of 100 vaccinated kids did. The unvacccinated kids were 22 times more likely to catch measles.
If you are scared of vaccines because of what you read on anti-vaccination web sites, just say so. Do not try to pretend vaccines do not work. They do.
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