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Old 01-24-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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There is no evidence of that.
If you do not understand why it is possible, you have no understanding of evolution at all.

 
Old 01-24-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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If you do not understand why it is possible, you have no understanding of evolution at all.
You can't prove it's possible. Don't be stupid.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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You can't prove it's possible. Don't be stupid.
You do not think a plant can become naturally resistant to Round Up?
 
Old 01-24-2014, 12:28 PM
 
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You do not think a plant can become naturally resistant to Round Up?
Sigh... Go ahead and try to prove that GENETICALLY Modified crops would have naturally evolved. Let's see your evolution map, including any and all possible offspring permutations, genetic mutations, rule out the deleterious effects of such mutations, the heritability of the mutated traits, etc., etc.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 12:49 PM
 
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Sigh... Go ahead and try to prove that GENETICALLY Modified crops would have naturally evolved. Let's see your evolution map, including any and all possible offspring permutations, genetic mutations, rule out the deleterious effects of such mutations, the heritability of the mutated traits, etc., etc.
I admit it was a trick question.

http://www.ask-force.org/web/Herbizi...osate-2006.pdf

"Target site-based, evolved resistance to glyphosate has been shown to occur through mutations in the EPSPS gene, with mutations changing Prol06 to Ser or Thr. Conversely, nontarget site-based, evolved resistance to glyphosate has been shown to be the result of reduction in translocation of glyphosate to the meristematic regions of resistant plants. Both the target site and the nontarget site glyphosate-resistance mechanisms are inherited as single gene, nuclear traits."
 
Old 01-24-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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http://www.ask-force.org/web/Herbizi...osate-2006.pdf

"Target site-based, evolved resistance to glyphosate has been shown to occur through mutations in the EPSPS gene, with mutations changing Prol06 to Ser or Thr. Conversely, nontarget site-based, evolved resistance to glyphosate has been shown to be the result of reduction in translocation of glyphosate to the meristematic regions of resistant plants. Both the target site and the nontarget site glyphosate-resistance mechanisms are inherited as single gene, nuclear traits."
How does that describe the evolutionary process alternative for all existing GMO crops? You've described an evolutionary event that has already happened.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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How does that describe an evolutionary process for all existing GMO crops?

That is not the question you asked and I answered. You were sure that evolution could not produce the same trait found in a plant genetically modified by a human. I showed you that it can.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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That is not the question you asked and I answered. You were sure that evolution could not produce the same trait found in a plant genetically modified by a human.
No, I asked you to...
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Go ahead and try to prove that GENETICALLY Modified crops would have naturally evolved. Let's see your evolution map, including any and all possible offspring permutations, genetic mutations, rule out the deleterious effects of such mutations, the heritability of the mutated traits, etc., etc.
All you did was post an evolutionary event that already happened in weeds. It had nothing to do with GMO crops.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 02:12 PM
 
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It does when the trait does not occur naturally in the species.
Okay, hate to tell you this but . .all traits within an animal natural occur!



The only proven non-natural trait was introduced by humans. If we didn't modify a plant or animal, than by conclusion, that trait was there naturally.

I'm not sure . . .your logic is a house of cards. Only you can believe in it I think.

1 - plants evolve and have dna
2 - humans evolve and learn about dna
3 - we play around with this natural evolved and created DNA, and change it


There isn't any evidence that the DNA in the creature/plant that we modified didn't occur natural via natural selection and time. Our ability to chop down a tree and make a house, doesn't mean that someone built a tree out of sticks.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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The only proven non-natural trait was introduced by humans
Exactly. By Intelligent Design.

Not created by God. Didn't evolve in an unguided natural process.
Not creationism. Not evolution.

Intelligent Design.

ID: "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."
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