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Evolution exists within a species........color, claws, adaptations etc....happen on a micro level.
But what people are trying sell us is the notion that a species can macro jump and become another species!! A snake became a bird!! Silly stuff like that.
A monkey became a man......... and no transitional fossils have EVER been found! Darwin said the fossil record would bare witness to his claims and they have NOT!
Ultimately what this boils down to is man not wanting to be accountable for his lifestyle choices. The thought of a God with rules for living and a code of morality is repugnant to him. Because to accept creation is to then topple the other dominoes......and then we have a problem. If the bible is true about God creating everything, then what it says about death, sin and judgment is also true. And we just cant have that, can we??
Whom has ever made the claim that monkeys became man? What respected scientist ever made that claim?
Evolution exists within a species........color, claws, adaptations etc....happen on a micro level.
But what people are trying sell us is the notion that a species can macro jump and become another species!! A snake became a bird!! Silly stuff like that.
A monkey became a man......... and no transitional fossils have EVER been found! Darwin said the fossil record would bare witness to his claims and they have NOT!
Ultimately what this boils down to is man not wanting to be accountable for his lifestyle choices. The thought of a God with rules for living and a code of morality is repugnant to him. Because to accept creation is to then topple the other dominoes......and then we have a problem. If the bible is true about God creating everything, then what it says about death, sin and judgment is also true. And we just cant have that, can we??
To me, it doesn't matter whether the intelligent design is Biblical intelligent design, intelligent design from some mysterious force that subtly guides evolution, or aliens who introduced DNA as programming code.
So far, it's all science fiction. I don't know how to search for any of those of those three varieties of gods.
We've never seen anything like the deist gods that subtly guide evolution, or the Biblical gods that insta-poof things. We've seen life that can build life through genetic engineering (humans) but we weren't around back when life was first beginning, and we don't know if we'll ever be able to go faster than the speed of light, so aliens having seeded Earth and introduced DNA as programming code sounds like a big jump.
Creationists have no explanations for how anything came to be. They don't even know what they're looking for when they say an intelligent force guided things. They have nothing more than a vague path to search down, I think.
If we ever find that we can travel faster than the speed of light, or that intelligence can exist outside of physical brains, or that science fiction author Greg Bear's idea that life forms act as kind of like nerve cells in the greater organism that would be earth is true, and that the greater organism guides evolution and boosts along traits in organisms that would help them to adapt (or something like that, I don't really get it) or we find a reality outside this existence that a programmer could, and preferably does, exist in, who could have programmed this reality, or that thought alone directly affects reality (which would give more credibility to the idea of gods having designed reality from thought)then I'll consider our creation and development having been strongly influenced by a intelligent and powerful force as a worthy potential explanation.
Although there is no possible way the Earth is 18,000 years old. That would demolish the views of too many different scientific fields.
Whom has ever made the claim that monkeys became man? What respected scientist ever made that claim?
That's really just an analogy ... the contention is far more absurd.
As the story goes, a single self replicating cell became EVERYTHING that exists in nature, which greatly exceeds a monkey becoming a man.
Though to answer your question as asked, evolutionists created evolution charts like this:
Tend to give the impression that evolution science is trying to insinuate that a monkey evolved into a man? LOL Just start at the far right, and work your way left ... can you see how showing pictures like this to school children might lead them to believe that monkies evolved into men, without them having to jump to conclusions?
Get real, for Christ sake, and try as hard as you can to display a bit of honesty, if for no other reason than novelty!
If there is any constant in this universe which can be counted on, evolutionists dishonesty is surely one of them!
That's really just an analogy ... the contention is far more absurd.
As the story goes, a single self replicating cell became EVERYTHING that exists in nature, which greatly exceeds a monkey becoming a man.
Though to answer your question as asked, evolutionists created evolution charts like this:
Tend to give the impression that evolution science is trying to insinuate that a monkey evolved into a man? LOL Just start at the far right, and work your way left ... can you see how showing pictures like this to school children might lead them to believe that monkies evolved into men, without them having to jump to conclusions?
Get real, for Christ sake, and try as hard as you can to display a bit of honesty, if for no other reason than novelty!
If there is any constant in this universe which can be counted on, evolutionists dishonesty is surely one of them!
Your earlier statement that creationists have an explanation for anything is crap. See my post above for an explanation about why (#935). I'm still working on the research on information loss through deletion mutations.
A man that is infatuated with a tramp, his parents know is going to bring him down, cannot nor will not see any thing from his parents perspective .
Or the girl would take no interest in the guy that would give his life for her ,she has no interest because of some flaw.
People choose their devotion , they have their fantasy and invest in that direction leaving every other direction out like a narrow minded specialist that knows a lot about one thing and nothing about life.
I would venture to say that none of you whom invest in darwin have actually put any of his theories to the test . Have you proven evolution personally .. Facts are proven personally . taking some one else's word for it is not fact it is faith. The thing about Creation and God is that one can actually have a relationship with God ,know His intervention and mercy and forgiveness and healing . Not going by some book alone nor by the teachings men propagate but by a desperate honest transparent prayer life needing God's approval. You whom worship science over look the fact that your faith is fully dependent on other men's theory. Have you personally watched any thing evolve ?
Or seen for your self the bones , with out their theoretic proximations, embellished by "professionals"?
For all the people having been on the planet, there should be billions of tons of bones proving those theory.
Even for the last 2000 years there have not been any changes except where man has interfered .
How did the T Rex evolve with it's arms too short to feed it's self ?
How did the lantern fish evolve putting light in front of it's mouth?
How did the worms in glacier ice evolve , or other insects that can freeze and thaw and survive?
Can you ? don't think so.
Something must choose to take action ,for instance what inspired flight ? Did animals keep committing suicide of cliffs till wings started to sprout ?
Man has longed for flight for centuries and can only do it mechanically , no one has even sprouted the semblance of the beginning of a wing, not once, not yet, not ever.
Nor by choice have man changed any thing about him self deliberately.
Animals do not have our advanced knowledge , how would they even conceive need of a change ?
We know too that mutations cannot reproduce them selves , and only by selective breeding can we change things to some degree but the parent DNA remain the same.
If man and Ape are related , why can they not inter breed ?,many species of dog can!
Man is not related.
Have you personally seen God poof entire universes into existence with a mere word? That must have been really something. What was it like?
I don't have relationships with imaginary beings, not do I need their approval.
The rest of your post reeks of ignorance. If you don't actually understand the mechanics of evolution, it's probably best not to comment.
Creationists have no explanations for how anything came to be. They don't even know what they're looking for when they say an intelligent force guided things. They have nothing more than a vague path to search down, I think.
This is true ... and I would suggest that no explanation is more honest than a contrived one which contradicts basic common sense. In fact, false explanations are dangerously worse. Convincing people to accept nonsensical explanations is an assault on the human consciousness.
How so? Well, given the choice of human beings being spiritual eternal beings inhabiting a physical body, or simply accidents created from random mutations of lower life forms, having no purpose other than to exist, then die, game over ... with no real meaning to that existence, do you see how the latter diminishes human value?
Do you think it beneficial to dismiss your value in such a manner, and agree that your life has no real meaning or purpose? And should this be the message drummed into the heads of impressionable children ... that they have no value, and are just accidents of nature?
I think that is a horrific message, as well as being a lie.
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Although there is no possible way the Earth is 18,000 years old. That would demolish the views of too many different scientific fields.
None of us know how old the earth is, nor how old modern humans are, nor what preceded us. We only know what we've been told, and what we've accepted as the truth. Nothing more, nothing less. Right?
I can conceptualize the possibility that extinction events occur periodically, given our knowledge of glacial periods which last for vast periods of time, followed by briefer periods of interglacials conducive to the support of life. While the earth itself may be hundreds of millions or even billions of years old, historical accounts of human population of this earth may run in cycles with those climate cycles, and accounts of earth being 18,000 years old may be just an account of that most recent cycle .... not a literal birthdate of the rock we call home, but just the the birthdate of the human inhabitants since the last extinction event.
That's just one speculation. But it's far more reasonable than a single cell mutating into everything that is and ever was living on this planet.
How so? Well, given the choice of human beings being spiritual eternal beings inhabiting a physical body, or simply accidents created from random mutations of lower life forms, having no purpose other than to exist, then die, game over ... with no real meaning to that existence, do you see how the latter diminishes human value?
I disagree with the idea of being simple accidents created by random mutations. I think it is far more accurate to say that human beings are a culmination of millions of years useful traits being build upon to create a species that is extremely fit at surviving on earth. I consider it akin to the technology that builds spacecraft. Basically when our ancestors discovered things like controlled fire, the wheel, and metal working these were not rockets, nor was their purpose to create rockets, but those and other technologies were not random accidents, they were important and they certainly facilitated space travel.
On the other hand the idea that we are just in some bronze age God's test tube, that God is a God which we can never ever hope to truly and fully understand, and we only exist to pleasure him is a prospect I find highly disturbing.
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