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I think your focus is only on voter IDs cause when I suggest anything else you simply ignore it and go back to voter IDs. Yet you have no proof that there has ever been enough voter fraud from the voter side to swing an election.
That's the game plan for the entire GOP. The poster is simply executing the plan as instructed.
There is no evidence that voter fraud occurs.
This is just an attempt for the GOP to win elections, by thwarting votes of those that would never vote for them EVER. It's blatantly obvious, as this type of thing has only occurred in states that are controlled by Republicans....
Sorry that is incorrect. It is an attempt to make our elections free from fraud.
Democrats keep parroting the above opinion as obvious and a forgone conclusion. That election held under voter ID laws would prevent scores of liberals from voting. Election have been held under voter ID laws, so were are the hundreds of lawsuit about being turned away at the polls due to lack of ID???? The truth is that the number of legitimate voters turned away is far less than the number of dead voters that were casting ballots. Given that many of the post haves stated that the number of dead voters was statistically irrelevant, then likewise a much smaller number would also be statistically irrelevant.
Sorry that is incorrect. It is an attempt to make our elections free from fraud.
Democrats keep parroting the above opinion as obvious and a forgone conclusion. That election held under voter ID laws would prevent scores of liberals from voting. Election have been held under voter ID laws, so were are the hundreds of lawsuit about being turned away at the polls due to lack of ID???? The truth is that the number of legitimate voters turned away is far less than the number of dead voters that were casting ballots. Given that many of the post haves stated that the number of dead voters was statistically irrelevant, then likewise a much smaller number would also be statistically irrelevant.
How much fraud happens and how does the voter fraud commonly happen?
Sorry that is incorrect. It is an attempt to make our elections free from fraud.
Democrats keep parroting the above opinion as obvious and a forgone conclusion. That election held under voter ID laws would prevent scores of liberals from voting. Election have been held under voter ID laws, so were are the hundreds of lawsuit about being turned away at the polls due to lack of ID???? The truth is that the number of legitimate voters turned away is far less than the number of dead voters that were casting ballots. Given that many of the post haves stated that the number of dead voters was statistically irrelevant, then likewise a much smaller number would also be statistically irrelevant.
Since there is almost negligible fraud now how would you know that voter ID cards are even a cure, how do you judge something as being effective if you aren't aware of a problem in the first place. Doesn't make sense to eliminate a few million voters because there might be voter fraud.
These restrictive laws in NC, TX, and many other states to reduce voting hours, voter ID's will exclude many. We already have an anemic voting rate in presidential election with 50% of those registered going to the polls, we are moving in the wrong direction.
We know that in person voter fraud occurs so voter ID would reduce that, the only thing is question is how many fraudulent votes it prevents.
Do we? The only examples I have personal knowledge of involved a Republican lady trying to prove the system was broken who got arrested. The other local voting fraud case was an absentee ballot one. So locally we have no indication that anyone has actually voted by in person voter fraud. We do know of the case in Florida where the people all had IDs. There have been a couple of elections where rather large scale absentee ballot fraud went on. I have heard of a number of people who were dead appeared to have cast votes in upstate NY but I believe further investigation found all to be clerical mistakes. They did make a strong suggestion that better pruning of the lists was in order...no problem with me on that.
There was one case around here that screamed of voter fraud by voting at college and at home. One local candidate has a whole mess of relatives enrolled at his address. Some are also enrolled elsewhere. No one was able however to prove that anyone actually voted twice. And they all had ID.
I do believe the dead have voted in various Chicago elections. But I don't think anyone showed up to do it in person. All went on in back rooms before or after the public vote.
So no I don't know that there is even a single example of successful in person voter fraud.
Perhaps we should strive to remove all the other types and then go after in person if we can find any.
You aren't breaking anything to me. I am not talking about primaries.
There is no good reason to have political parties in control of voter registration period.
The chances for bad incentives are very obvious.
If you are a political party and you realize that if certain people vote, you are more likely to lose, then it becomes very natural to construct and expand voting laws to make it more difficult for those voters to vote.
This is the problem in a nutshell.
There is no problem being solved by expanding government power over who votes. NONE. There is very little voter fraud. Voter fraud has been investigated by many different states and nationally and there just isn't that much to justify these new laws.
These state government's expansion of voting laws only exist to limit who votes. This is so obvious to anyone who wants to deal with objective reality.
The fact that conservatives support this needless expansion of government power over one of the fundamental rights when there is no reason that expansion of government power, confirms the fear and hatred I believe rests in the hearts of many conservatives about their fellow Americans.
Political parties do not control voter registration. That is handled by the States.
There is already a limit on who can vote - US citizens that are 18 years old or older and have not been convicted of a felony. The voting laws enacted by the States are to ensure that only those who are eligible are allowed to vote.
Voting is not a fundamental right. Furthermore, the Supreme Court in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, 553 U.S. 181 (2008) held that States may constitutionally require a photo ID in order to vote.
After reading the post by those opposed, there is one thing the is extremely clear. First is that they are irrationally paranoid of any conservative suggestion. The second is they are willing to parrot the party lines even in the face of evidence to the contrary. If necessary they will deny the evidence that was presented even exists. last, they are terrified of losing the illegal votes and are willing to thwart any attempted to straighten our election processes to prevent illegal votes.
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