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Old 02-24-2014, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Yep. Pretty soon.. Need a car part? Go to your local auto parts store. They don't have many parts, just a block of raw material. You buy the license to use 1 part. come back an hour later and pick it up.
In less then 20 years we won't even need the raw material. It will be like on Star Trek as they will use energy.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:48 PM
 
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Yes, this kind of open source technology model with it is very interesting. Here is one. 3D printing has actually been around for some time.
RepRap - RepRapWiki

RepRap Open Source 3D Printer - YouTube
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:50 PM
 
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Yep. Pretty soon.. Need a car part? Go to your local auto parts store. They don't have many parts, just a block of raw material. You buy the license to use 1 part. come back an hour later and pick it up.
And everyone and their dog will be pirating car parts. (seriously). Industrialized nations that try and control this will get utterly killed by nations that ignore their population ignoring copyrights.

This is whats more likely:

You've bought a assembled car made from a open source design. You paid for the assembly of it. If a part breaks, you DL and print at home the replacement part-except for some parts that are best made in a specialty shop. Batteries, brake pads, and glass. Later on even those you will print, just ordering the material.

Patents and copyright law will actually impair countries that enforce them.

Lots of weird stuff is going to occur dealing with economics, employment, and production. I really need to sit down sometime and try and think of what and how its going to go. Its just so...chaotic.

Advanced energy systems, and precision 3D printing change things.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:51 PM
 
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In less then 20 years we won't even need the raw material. It will be like on Star Trek as they will use energy.
Nope. Energy requirements for that are simply too immense. Its all going to require raw material stocks for a long long time. FAR longer then 20 years.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:55 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Advanced energy systems, and precision 3D printing change things.
They'll solve many problems, but also create others; and some things, such as the need to go to a physical location to pick up certain products, won't change. But the products will be lumps of raw material, not finished goods.

It also raises quality-control issues. How can a producer/consumer be sure that the replacement brake pads, bearings, etc. he's printing for his car will meet the same quality standards as the original ones?
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:57 PM
 
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What you describe is technological unemployment and will impact ever sector of the economy.
Keep in mind technology creates jobs. It allows for different models and different skill sets. Technology need not cause such. It is the way it is implemented. These kinds of tech can allow for wider distribution, rather than central controlled models.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:02 PM
 
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Keep in mind technology creates jobs. It allows for different models and different skill sets. Technology need not cause such. It is the way it is implemented. These kinds of tech can allow for wider distribution, rather than central controlled models.
Technology creates jobs....until it doesn't.

In the past people could simply switch to a new job, and relearn. The new job didnt require massive amounts of new skills or above average intelligence. The changes that come are changing that. a "new job" requires a massive investment in training, knowledge, and intelligence. And those that are being phased out......wont be making new jobs. They will be obsolete. Before it was "your skills are obsolete-go learn new ones". But whats different is its "your skills, and innate abilities" are obsolete. You can be replaced by a $100 computer......and all the jobs that dont require aabove average intelligence ALSO can be done cheaply.

This is different. The historical model will not apply.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Nope. Energy requirements for that are simply too immense. Its all going to require raw material stocks for a long long time. FAR longer then 20 years.
3D printers are not the only technology advancing exponentially. Solar is as well and by 2030 solar will be 50% cheaper then fossil fuels. If someone has solar on their house then the energy requirement to run a Star Trek style replicator will be mute.

Maybe it won't be 2030 exactly as it will take time to be affordable for everyone but since this technology advances exponentially it won't be long afeter.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:07 PM
 
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Technology creates jobs....until it doesn't.

In the past people could simply switch to a new job, and relearn. The new job didnt require massive amounts of new skills or above average intelligence. The changes that come are changing that. a "new job" requires a massive investment in training, knowledge, and intelligence. And those that are being phased out......wont be making new jobs. They will be obsolete. Before it was "your skills are obsolete-go learn new ones". But whats different is its "your skills, and innate abilities" are obsolete. You can be replaced by a $100 computer......and all the jobs that dont require aabove average intelligence ALSO can be done cheaply.

This is different. The historical model will not apply.
The historical model still applies. It's how it is handled. Different skills and different markets are created. The entire market system has to be examined. Open more diverse systems will continue to evolve away from central control. However, yes 3D printing is a radical game changer. The only more radical game changer would be in energy.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Keep in mind technology creates jobs. It allows for different models and different skill sets. Technology need not cause such. It is the way it is implemented. These kinds of tech can allow for wider distribution, rather than central controlled models.
It has in the past but not anymore. I live in a city with a major steel mill. Today its profitable and is about to undergo a $630 million expansion. Yet due to technology it only employs a little over 1,000 people where in the 1950's it employed over 10,000 people. One more example. Target has a distribution center here and a lot of the jobs are with robots not humans.

Look at this video form 60 minutes:

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