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Old 02-25-2014, 08:53 AM
 
Location: USA
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Gee, i wish the left in this country looked upon our government with the same anal attention and suspicion as they did with law enforcement.
I don't have a "side" and yes I look at them the same and have criticized the "left" as well as the right.



YOU are to blame by thinking partisanship is going to bail us out.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:54 AM
 
Location: USA
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But the automobile search was done based on the k-9 sniff. Isn't that enough cause to search?

Is reasonable suspicion enough to pat someone down?
It is supposed to be, but we all know now (some of us) that cops can get the dogs to do what they want. They'll get them to bark even if there aren't drugs just so that they can search the vehicle.

I think we need more rights to protect ourselves and our property. Tyranny is what we have now.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:59 AM
 
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Gee, i wish the left in this country looked upon our government with the same anal attention and suspicion as they did with law enforcement.
This.

People get freaking twisted up and apoplectic when a cop abuses their authority, but let a teacher, IRA agent, politician or bureaucratic functionary abuse theirs, and oh well, cost of life in the USofA. Kelo v New London and other eminent domain abuses are considered business as usual, but a cop doing a traffic stop is cause for armed revolt. The federal government has put an IRS gun in the face of the public to force them to buy a product because they are alive, and everyone actually cheers that tyranny, while demonizing the agents tasked with carrying it out.

A cop that abuses the laws they are charged with enforcing and protecting can only do so in a country where such byzantine laws exist, where an entire governmental system built on fostering and excusing tyranny exists, and where a people are so used to being abused by their government that they get angry for a brief moment and then figure why fight it when the tyrant has so much power.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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But the automobile search was done based on the k-9 sniff. Isn't that enough cause to search?

Is reasonable suspicion enough to pat someone down?
No, because there was no reason to bring in the K-9. So his rights were violated prior to the search.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:03 AM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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I agree. I'm always polite when stopped by LE.
I agree with this up to, and at the point where I declare my right to remain SILENT. Aside from giving my name and DOB as required when asked, I do NOT offer any other info and IMMEDIATELY ask if I am not being detained am I free to leave? NEVER trust anything a cop tells you, because they are NOT required to tell you the truth!
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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This.

People get freaking twisted up and apoplectic when a cop abuses their authority, but let a teacher, IRA agent, politician or bureaucratic functionary abuse theirs, and oh well, cost of life in the USofA. Kelo v New London and other eminent domain abuses are considered business as usual, but a cop doing a traffic stop is cause for armed revolt..
I have no idea who you are talking about. Abuse of power is wrong regardless of who does it. I've never heard anyone say "let a teacher, IRA agent, politician or bureaucratic functionary abuse theirs, and oh well, cost of life in the USofA."

People who abuse their power are the lowest form of life and that includes child abusers, spouse abusers, LE and politicians.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:05 AM
 
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I agree with this up to, and at the point where I declare my right to remain SILENT. Aside from giving my name and DOB as required when asked, I do NOT offer any other info and IMMEDIATELY ask if I am not being detained am I free to leave? NEVER trust anything a cop tells you, because they are NOT required to tell you the truth!
That is true. For example, you don't have to answer when they ask "where have you been" or "how many drinks have you had".
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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No, because there was no reason to bring in the K-9. So his rights were violated prior to the search.
I don't know if just having a dog involved is a violation, whether the k9 officer was called or not.

In this case the dog was correct as drugs were found in the vehicle.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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The officer was onto something and was correct. He didn't do a good job of describing why the behavior was out of the norm. I'm sure plenty of people have been polite to the officer and have not been searched. Either way, the system worked to ensure a fair trial.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:53 AM
 
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Was the guy a criminal before the arrest? Did he have any priors?



This country is great at making criminals out of people minding their own business.
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