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Old 03-05-2014, 03:00 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The Founders intended the Bill of Rights to only apply as a limitation on the Federal Government. It was not suppose to apply to the States - and it never did apply to the States until Federal Courts misused the 14th Amendment to extend Federal control and usurp State power and sovereignty under the made up doctrine of "incorporation."
That's funny.

I won't even get into the whole 13/14th amendment issues here, but I will say this, when the founders wrote the bill of rights and specifically the second amendment, they said "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." They really meant that it is ok for states to infringe those rights, just not the Feds. In the same vain, the 4th amendment only protects people from the federal government, the state however can go into anyone's house and search at their leisure.

 
Old 03-05-2014, 03:24 PM
 
Location: San Francisco born/raised - Las Vegas
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Excellent! Pleased to read this.
 
Old 03-05-2014, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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I just browsed through the California State Constitution.
I could find no mention of any "right to keep and bear arms".
If it is there, would somebody please point it out to me?
If it isn't there, that's just another reason for me to NEVER move to California!
Of course, for SOME people, that would be a GOOD reason TO move there!
 
Old 03-05-2014, 06:31 PM
 
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Another victory of Federal power over State's rights and sovereignty.
The explicite rights granted to us in the Constitution has always trumped states rights.

That said...the 9th has really seemed to have turned a corner. This is twice now they have made news for simply accepting Supreme Court precedents.
 
Old 03-05-2014, 06:40 PM
 
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The explicite rights granted to us in the Constitution has always trumped states rights.
Really? Explain to me the 14th Amendment Incorporation Doctrine then.
 
Old 03-05-2014, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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There is truth to that. By that arguement there is no reason a federal court should be able to override a state's definition of what marriage is. Yet, the right to keep and bear arms is affirmed in the constitution. Homosexual marriage...not so much.
"Homosexual marriage" is covered by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

14th Amendment | Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
Old 03-05-2014, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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The explicite rights granted to us in the Constitution has always trumped states rights.

That said...the 9th has really seemed to have turned a corner. This is twice now they have made news for simply accepting Supreme Court precedents.
California, for better or worse, is moving toward being a "shall issue" state... Worse, IMHO.
 
Old 03-05-2014, 06:51 PM
 
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Really? Explain to me the 14th Amendment Incorporation Doctrine then.
Has a state ever legally been allowed to throw you in prison simply because they did not care for what you said?
 
Old 03-05-2014, 07:21 PM
 
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Has a state ever legally been allowed to throw you in prison simply because they did not care for what you said?
I'm not familiar with the Freedom of Speech provisions found in all 50 State Constitutions, so I can't really answer that questions. I can tell you that until 1925 the the Freedom of Speech protection of the 1st Amendment did not apply to the States.
 
Old 03-05-2014, 08:17 PM
 
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The Founders intended the Bill of Rights to only apply as a limitation on the Federal Government. It was not suppose to apply to the States - and it never did apply to the States until Federal Courts misused the 14th Amendment to extend Federal control and usurp State power and sovereignty under the made up doctrine of "incorporation."
Total baloney. "Incorporation" is baloney (I agree with you on that), and so is the idea that the Second Amendment doesn't apply to State government. The First Amendment talks about what Congress can't do; the Second Amendment is in the passive voice with no implied subject: "shall not be infringed".
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