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Old 03-20-2014, 10:52 AM
 
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In case you aren't aware the cockpit voice recorders or "black boxes" found on commercial airlines are set up to record only 2 hours of cockpit audio before they begin to "eat their tail". In the case of a crash or any other catastrophic event the most you'll ever be able to recover is 2 hours of audio prior to that event taking place. The NTSB has fought for longer recording times and even for in cockpit cameras to add to what we might find out about incidents but everything has been blocked by labor unions.

This magical 2 hour number isn't due to size or storage space limitations or anything like that, this was negotiated by none other than pilot labor Unions who put pilot CYA over passenger safety once again. If initial reports are indeed correct and flight 370 flew for 4 - 6 hours after making it's unplanned turn we will never know what was said in that cockpit between those pilots or whoever was in there when it turned.

I'm guessing this won't get added to the list of great things brought to us by labor unions right?

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Old 03-20-2014, 11:05 AM
 
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Yes, I will just take your word for it with no sources whatsoever...
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Old 03-20-2014, 11:10 AM
 
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Malaysian pilots have a union?
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Old 03-20-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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Yes, I will just take your word for it with no sources whatsoever...
Educate yourself, you might be shocked at what you learn.

Cockpit voice recorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-20-2014, 11:15 AM
 
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In case you aren't aware the flight data recorders or "black boxes" found on commercial airlines are set up to record only 2 hours of cockpit audio before they begin to "eat their tail". In the case of a crash or any other catastrophic event the most you'll ever be able to recover is 2 hours of audio prior to that event taking place. The NTSB has fought for longer recording times and even for in cockpit cameras to add to what we might find out about incidents but everything has been blocked by labor unions.
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Educate yourself, you might be shocked at what you learn.

Cockpit voice recorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Your link contradicts you.
Cockpit voice recorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As of 2005 it is an FAA requirement that the recording duration is a minimum of thirty minutes,[3] but the NTSB has long recommended that it should be at least two hours.[4]
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Old 03-20-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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Malaysian pilots have a union?
Yes they do

Air Line Pilots Association, International

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2008...df/E8-3949.pdf

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"Revisions to Cockpit Voice Recorder and Digital Flight Data Recorder Regulations" [1]
The FAA proposed that all CVRs be able to retain the last two hours of cockpit audio. Both the NTSB and the Transportation Safety Board of Canada noted that the short duration of available cockpit audio hindered the investigation of several accidents.
The Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) did not support the proposal to increase CVR recording time because the FAA did not propose any increase in the privacy protections regarding the access and use of information recorded on a CVR. The ALPA stated that existing protections are inadequate despite years of its attempts to change the standard.
Pilot CYA trumps passenger safety, thanks big labor.
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Old 03-20-2014, 11:19 AM
 
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Your link contradicts you.
Cockpit voice recorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As of 2005 it is an FAA requirement that the recording duration is a minimum of thirty minutes,[3] but the NTSB has long recommended that it should be at least two hours.[4]
No it doesn't. The NTSB wants longer than 2 hours which is their current capacity but any request to make the requirement longer than 2 hours has been blocked by the pilot's union.
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Old 03-20-2014, 11:21 AM
 
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Just to be clear, the Flight Data Recorder and Cockpit Voice Recorder are two separate units and the OP is conflating them.
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Old 03-20-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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Just to be clear, the Flight Data Recorder and Cockpit Voice Recorder are two separate units and the OP is conflating them.
I am?
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Old 03-20-2014, 11:33 AM
 
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No it doesn't. The NTSB wants longer than 2 hours which is their current capacity but any request to make the requirement longer than 2 hours has been blocked by the pilot's union.
NTSB is in the US and in case you didn't notice this was a plane from 'MALAYSIA" flown by "MALAYSIANS"! What do "Labor Unions" in the US have to do with this? or is this just a rant against all "Unions'?

Who ever shut off that transponder knew exactly what they were doing and blaming 'Labor Unions" for what appears to be a very deliberate act is nonsense.
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